Talk:Concertina wire

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So wait. What kind are these?

We really need something to replace that MS Paint drawing. — Omegatron 00:55, 8 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure how other nations use the term, but in the US Army, all three of those images would be called razor wire. Concertina wire is has very small barbs. They look like rectangles with very slight protrusions on the edges. EvilCouch 16:11, 8 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This is a really horrible picture of a good example of concertina wire. EvilCouch 16:24, 8 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If you look at manufacturers' websites, the names are used somewhat interchangeably. [1][2] [3] They are all variations on the same design. — Omegatron 19:28, 8 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

So they do. If the manufacturers can't provide consistency in naming, then I'm fighting a losing battle here. I no longer oppose the merge. EvilCouch 00:41, 9 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

constantine wire[edit]

So if constantine wire is different from concertina wire, then why does it re-direct here? could someone maybe create a new page for it? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.4.74.65 (talk) 18:43, 26 February 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Name: Concertina vs Constantine[edit]

This article talks a lot about the name "constantine" but not about the name "concertina", so why was a type of barbed wire named after a musical instrument? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Trcunning (talk • contribs) 11:53, 16 May 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Because of the way it stretches out like a concertina. — Omegatron 13:25, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dull wire?[edit]

What is "dull wire"? Isn't concertina normally made up of razor wire or barb wire?--Dwane E Anderson (talk) 05:46, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Unverifiable material[edit]

Someone took the time to insert a box with the standard Wiki-babble, "This article does not cite any references or sources. Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources. Unverifiable material may be challenged and removed. (September 2008)." Yet more evidence that encyclopedia building is best left to the educated, experienced professionals over at Britannica. If there are no references or sources then this is just as valid (and credible) as a graffito on the back of the stall door in a public toilet.

Constantine wire[edit]

The last paragraph here describing constantine wire seems to be largely original research. I was not able to find any reliable secondary sources referring to constantine wire, although there is some mention from a few smaller websites. None that I could find however explain the misinterpretation and supposed differences between the two types of wire as this article's writer did. I do not doubt this deviating name is in at least some vernacular, but it is probably not worth mentioning for a whole paragraph, especially without a good source.

I am suggesting one of those "Concertina wire (also known as constantine wire)..." opening sentence additions, but am torn because of source issue. How good of a source(s) should we require for this kind of mention? As I said, a few small sites from google say it. Teimu.tm (talk) 14:39, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have searched through Google books. I found 25 references to constantine wire in the sense of concertina wire, all of them are in books published after the year 2000 except this one which dates from 1982. It seems reasonable to supose that constatine wire is of recent coinage and I dare say it results from a confusion. Perhaps it has been used as a trade name. Perhaps, as the google references are mostly about conflicts in Iraq and Afganistan it might be some sort of perjorative pro-Christian or anti-Muslim sense. However, it does seem to be sufficiently widespread to justify an "also known as..."

Just to add to the confusion, Constantan wire - wire with a constant resistance over a wide temperature range - also seems to be sometimes known as constantine wire. That may be a similar mistake or trade name?

Gaius Cornelius (talk) 12:29, 19 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Single vs double strand construction?[edit]

I just came from the article on razor tape, where I had a baffling time trying to figure out, from the vague and meaningless phrases being thrown around, what the difference between "helical" and "concertina" wire was. After finally reading in the comments on the talk page, I've finally concluded (perhaps erroneously) that "concertina wire" is made up of two strands of wire coiled together. Not sure if this is always the case, but it's the only conclusion I can come up with based on the evidence I can find in these two articles. More details and a clearer statement as such would be nice. See, I left this article thinking what I always have, that concertina wire is a strand of barbed wire formed into a coil. If this is actually "helical" wire, and concertina is made up of two or more strands, this ought to be stated (as well as when this became the case, since I doubt WWI soldiers were building it this way). If a single coil of wire is in fact concertina wire, then I actually have no clue what the list on the other page is talking about when it describes the differences between "helical" and "concertina" wire, since "helical" just means "coiled". AnnaGoFast (talk) 02:10, 1 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]