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Reverted childish comment at the end of the "Casual Collector" section. Gmrx 15:37, 9 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

External links[edit]

This section is getting a bit out of hand, I think some consensus is needed on which links are most useful to the page. I have removed some that seemed obvious and rearranged the remainder. Following is the list of links removed with my reasoning. I also think the current list could use a site or two relating to non-US coin collecting, but I haven't found a good one yet.


I think the directory listing should go, i hate those. Also, one of the forum listings should go, only see need for one of those. Other than that... Joe I 21:13, 25 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Forums are an integral part of coin collecting these days. Certainly much more important than link lists and price guides.--70.225.45.252 02:13, 27 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
What do you think about this one? It has a lot of infromation and good searchable coin catalog:
My Coin Collecting - Ecybers 01:07, 25 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I've purged a lot of the links from the article (and here). People are just adding links here to increase their google rank. I've left a few - but I'm no big fan of any of them. I'd be happy if this article had no external links section at all. Megapixie 01:28, 25 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The site I like to use for most coin related information is http: //coininfo.com. Gives daily market quotations as well all Coin Show, Auction, and Coin Dealer information. Site is user friendly and they seem to respond to email questions in a timely manner— Rmcoin (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. The preceding unsigned comment was added at 19:58, 29 May 2007 (UTC).[reply]
We invite everyone to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia. However, the external links you added do not comply with our guidelines for external links. Wikipedia is not a mere directory of links; nor should it be used for advertising or promotion. --Hu12 21:04, 29 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
So what are the opinions of this site, coininfo.com? I wanted to recommend added this to the "external links" section regarding "coin collecting".— Rmcoin (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. The preceding unsigned comment was added at 16:00, 31 May 2007 (UTC).[reply]

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The external links you added do not comply with our guidelines for external links. --Hu12 06:30, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
What does comply? Coinlink is an external link, CoinInfo.com is the same except has more in depth information for coin collectors such as finding US Coin dealers they would like to contact to build on "Coin Collecting". Also list Coin Shows, so the same collectors can vist local shows to find hundreds of Coin Dealers in one location for there "coin collecting" hobby. Not sure how this does not apply to the "Coin Collecting" links section. To me, it's a very important site for coin dealer information. Please explain --Rmcoin 17:12, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The nature of Wikipedia means that you can't make a convincing argument based on what other links in articles do or don't exist (ie Coinlink); because there's nothing stopping anyone from adding any link to any article. Plenty of links exist that probably shouldn't, conversly many links don't exist that probably should. So just pointing out that a link exists in an article doesn't prove that the link in question should also exist.
Your contributions to wikipedia consist soley of adding CoinInfo.com and is considered WP:Spam. Looking through your contributions as a whole, all seem to be CoinInfo.com related only. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a link farm, nor is a repository for coin dealer information. If you have content to contribute, contribute that instead of external links. Don't simply direct readers to another site for the "alledged" "very important " information. Unfortunately the External links policy and Advertising and conflicts of interest states You should avoid linking to a website that you own, maintain or represent, even if the guidelines otherwise imply that it should be linked, which is in line with the conflict of interest guidelines. You're here to improve Wikipedia -- not just to funnel readers off Wikipedia and onto some other site, right? Hu12 18:15, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Right now the "External links" section looks ridiculous, with only one link to one U.S. coin organization. The American Numismatic Association is a good organization, and I'm a member, but it makes no sense to link only to this one group. It seems the pendulum has swung too far, with the anti-links sentiment too draconian, an overreaction to link spam. Links can be *useful* and they're the defining characteristic of the Web. Used right ... links are a handy way for users to get more information about the same or similar topics. I'm going to add links to other major national coin organizations (impossible to list them all) and well-respected informational Web sites. If somebody here wants to delete these, go ahead, but then it only makes sense to delete the entire "External links" section rather than keeping it as is with only one link. If anyone has a problem with any site, let's discuss. Note: I'm a hobbyist and collector, not a dealer, and I'm not pushing any agenda here. Reidgold 18:26, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

So much for collaborative writing. Seems I'm not able to add anything, or add this anyway, to the "External links" section. I tried to replace the one link that's there with this:


If whoever controls this wants to add any of these links, that could only improve things. Reidgold 18:42, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Since all articles on Wikipedia have external links, it's really weird that only this one shouldn't. These are the links currently found on [coins]:

IMHO any site which provides relevant English-language original and free content should be added. Of course a page providing two articles about coin collecting is not relevant but ones with a dedicated thick section should be here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.172.136.141 (talk) 07:15, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wondering if The Case of the Corrupt Coin Dealer - Fraudster Targeted Elderly Victims, (FBI) would be useful. Lotje (talk) 12:00, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Coin collecting specialties[edit]

I have never once heard some of these 'categories' of coin collectors in any kind of book, website or in any general conversation among coin collectors and numismatists. 'Curious Collector'? Not once have I ever heard that one in any way shape of form, anywhere but here. I am not sure where this section came from but it needs some serious work (or deletion as I would vote for). --70.225.45.252 02:15, 27 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I would much rather see text on types of collecting as opposed to types of collectors. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Qwertypoiuy/proposed_coin_collecting for an example. Obviously, this is a quick example but I could easily take a little time to expand it to replace the current text as long as I am not wasting my time on it. ;)
I agree with these comments. Qwertpoiuy, I was thinking of proposing something along the lines you suggested. From what I am aware, the major types of collecting are country (collect an example from each country - often a crown sized coin), type, year (including mintmark), then variety. I listed them in this way as they are in descending order of specialisation. What country/region/period to collect is then a separate question - I once met a guy who collected world coins by year - that was ambitious! Qwertypoiuy, if you want to go ahead with your idea, then I will help you out - as long as you don't mind me correcting the grossly US specific items ;) I think we need to give some pretty good examples of exactly WHAT a variety is - we will need some good images. Let me know what you think.

--PatClay 23:03, 31 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

tone[edit]

This article has a non encyclopedic tone. so... yeah. that should be fixed..TastemyHouse Breathe, Breathe in the air 08:15, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • parts of the article are more a how-to guide - that should be moved to wikibooks

Change[edit]

Hi

I just submitted a pretty major change to the article along the lines others have suggested earlier. The majority of what I have done is changed the curious/advanced categories, which other people have also found strange.

I have replaced it with a breakdown of the types of things people use to define their collection, countries, errors, years etc.

I think that this is an improvement, and hope that I have not broken any rules by the major rewrite, let me know.

Thx --PatClay 18:32, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Things look good at quick glance. One thing, if you got these from a source, either paper or online, a reference would help a lot.  :) Joe I 22:35, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Numismatics[edit]

I wrote this in the numismatics article: "History of Numismatics Coin collecting has existed since ancient times, it is know that Roman Emperors were among some the earliest coin collectors. It is called the "Hobby of Kings" and rightfully so due to its most esteemed founders. Numismatics reached its apex due to the great demand during the late Middle Ages and the early Renaissance. In this period ancient coins were collect a great deal by European Kings, Princes, and nobility. It is know that Emperors Augustus and Julius collected Greek coins. Other collectors of coins are Pontif Boniface VIII, Itlaina poet Petrarch, Emperor Maximilian of the Holy Roman Empire, Louis XIV of France, Ferdinand I, Elector Joachim II of Brandenburg who started the Berlin coin cabinet and Henry IV of France to name a few."

I was wondering should'nt coin collecting be merged with the numismatics article? There seems to problems with both articles, however if they are made one they would be great --Margrave1206 18:02, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I think the main argument right now for keeping them separate is that numismatics is more of a science, and "coin collecting" is a hobby. Note that I do not necessarily endorse this argument, just that it's my understanding of why we have two articles.--chris.lawson 04:03, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you, Chris.lawson, they should be merged, not that I'm an expert or anything, but as a collector or beginning numismatic, to me it takes both science an a eye for collecting. If you think not, try this, ask a random person, to look at a coin you have that's a collectors gem piece, say 1889 Morgan Silver Dollar an ask them if they think its worth anything, 10 out of 10 say yes...now take a 2006 Freakinthesheetz69 (talk) 02:58, 13 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ok now take a 2005-P-Kansas quarter with mint error of spitting Bison Die Crack or Extra Hump...ask them same question, more than half will say no its worth a quarter. So to the eye of a collector it's both to me......just my opinion Freakinthesheetz69 (talk) 03:03, 13 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Copy Edit[edit]

I have made several edits to improve the structure/flow and tone of this article. I am by no means a coin collecting expert and if I have removed any encyclopedic information that should have been contained in the article, please let me know. I removed the "rewrite" and "cleanup" templates in favor of a "copy edit" template. The "Coin collecting specialties" section needs to be renamed or the information merged into other sections. I placed the "copy edit" template as I don't think that the article needs a complete rewrite any more, but could do with further touch-up. Also, it needs to be sourced, particularly with regard to the historical claims. Into The Fray T/C 17:03, 6 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It is far better now, no doubt about that. I think that now it would really benefit from a well referenced expansion. Similarly Numismatics needs immediate attention, I only recently carried out a brief copyedit, added an image and so forth. The prose from both articles was also a little iffy with respect to their encyclopaedic tone, but they seem to be improving now. It's also useful to have a look at Philately and Stamp collecting, neither are perfect (far from it), but they help to draw the line of inclusion, and where the coin related articles are lacking, given that coins and stamps are similar in some respects. And it's also useful to use the 1911 version of the Encyclopædia Britannica which is available online and is surprisingly packed with perfectly suitable information. -- Chris.B

USA only[edit]

This is an interesting article, but there are more coins in the world than only American currency. Also, I would welcome an insightful paragraph about prices in the times of Eliasberg and his fellows and now, especially with the onslaught of the internet and Ebay. Soczyczi 02:12, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Emperors who collected[edit]

It is a fact that the Emperors Augustus and Julius collected Greek coins as little works of art and not for material value.--Margrave1206 (talk) 21:03, 21 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Catalogs?[edit]

How about mentioning the catalogs available for coin collectors? A catalog is quite an important tool for collectors. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.172.136.141 (talk) 07:18, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Adding section "storage"[edit]

I'm going to put this here on the talk page instead of the main page because I don't think it's completely ready to go (it's something I wrote a while back), but it's here for starters if someone wants to edit it and then put it in. I think it would fit after "Coin condition and value."

Once you have bought your coins, you need a safe way to store them. There are several different ways to store your coins. For sets of coins that are less valuable, folders are often a good way to store them. Make sure that they do not contain PVC (polyvinyl carbonate). PVC is used to soften hard plastic into vinyl, but over time, it will leak out of coin holders and onto coins. It is possible to remove PVC, but you would rather not to have to clean your coins and run the risk of damaging them, right? Folders have holes that are usually labeled in which you can put your coins. There is a huge range of coin folders, ranging from 3-page cardboard ones, which you pop your coins into the holes, to large, plastic ones that look more like books with holes in the pages. Be careful when removing the slides on these, this can leave scratches on the coins. They can be found at coin stores and many hobby stores.

Cardboard 2x4s are little pieces of cardboard with holes in them, and thin plastic on one side. Just place your coin over one of the holes, and fold the other half over and staple it together. These are good for sets of coins that include one or two coins of several different sizes, such as world coins. These, like coin folders, can be found at most coin stores and hobby stores. Tubes are just round plastic holders for storing large amounts of lower-grade coins. Do not use them for valuable coins, because stacking them together will create nicks and scratches on the surfaces of the coins. These are harder to find at smaller coin stores, but common at hobby stores.

Paper envelopes are a cheap way to store coins, but you have to take your coin out of the folder to look at it. You can buy all different sizes at office supply stores, and they are also becoming popular at coin shops.

Hard plastic holders consist of three pieces of plastic: one, which the coin sits on, one that goes around the edge of the coin, and another to go on top of the coin, and all three pieces of plastic are screwed together. These are somewhat expensive, and are generally used only for high-grade, valuable coins. They are usually found only at coin shops, and similar versions that snap together can be found at hobby shops also.

Slabs are becoming ever popular for valuable coins. When you submit a coin to a grading service, such as PCGS, ANA, etc. they return them in slabs, which are similar to hard plastic holders, but instead of being screwed together, they are sonically sealed. The cost of slabbing the coin ranges from $10 to over $100 depending on the quality of service, etc. Abcasada (talk) 03:15, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Starting Major Copy Edit[edit]

As per the Copy Edit request placed on the page in Aug 2007, I've begun a major copy edit of the article. This should take about a week. I won't make significant changes in content; rather I'll be scanning for clarity, grammar, usage, punctuation, references/citations and so on. The general aim to improve the quality and readability of the article. Please let me know if I make any factual or other errors. Likewise, please tell me if you plan any major changes to the content in the near future and I'll hold off on editing those sections affected. Thanks! --Whoosit (talk) 00:02, 21 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Copy editor's notes[edit]

→ Stepping out of the copy editor role for a time, I have made some significant additions in the HISTORY section. I've included extra content to flesh out the development of the hobby in the time period from the Renaissance to the present day. --Whoosit (talk) 05:51, 21 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]


→I've cut the following largely nonsensical paras from the section on Common collection themes. The two refer to paper money and are so badly written as to be irredeemable from a copy writer's perspective

  • Signature collections: Collectors with an interest in acquiring signatures of Finance Secretory (in India), RBI governor (in India), Chairman of Board of Commissioners of Currency (in Singapore), Gabenor (in Malaysia), treasurer (in United States and other countries) on the paper money (e.g., presently RBI governor Dr. D. Subbarao signs on all Indian Paper Money (except on Re.1), pastly Finance Secretory signs on Re. 1 Paper Money [clarification needed]
  • Series collections: Often a collection consists of an example of number series for a period of time in one country. This will be encouraged as the number would be lucky for collector or represents some mythological Symbols (e.g., 786 for Muslim religion, they store that currency bearing 786 on them though they may not fall in any of the below mentioned category of "Types of Collector"). Some also interested in collecting paper money bearing a numerical series, an A.P., a G.P., an H.P., a number of identical numbers (90505050, 99910299), others (1030507, 987654, 24680, 1235813, 1491625)[clarification needed].

Nevertheless I think the two categories are potentially useful. For example, the illustration of collectors who collect "lucky" series numbers seems uniquely Asian to me. This would make a worthy addition to show regional/cultural varriations on a universal hobby. But I can find no online source that refers to series or signature collections. Can anyone assist with references?? --Whoosit (talk) 00:59, 26 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Copy Edit Done: Assessment Requested[edit]

I've finished copy editing this page. I've made major copy revisions to the text for clarity and readability, and made a few contextual changes, mostly additional examples/illustrations/clarifications. I changed bare URL references into Wikipedia standard refs. Please, if you have the time, review the changes and give me your opinion. --Whoosit (talk) 23:30, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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