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Pacifism[edit]

There is no explicit mention in the article to her opposition to her Husband's work on poison gas, and it being a possible motive for her suicide. I do not feel I know enough to add this or where to find citations, but it seems like an important part of her life if it can be verified. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.88.208.193 (talk) 12:56, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

See below in the Bratislav Friedrich essay. 89.217.26.56 (talk) 15:27, 12 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Clara Immerwahr or Clara Haber[edit]

Why is her maiden name used to title the article? Did she continue to use it after her marriage to Haber? There are different customs in different times and places, but in the Germany of the time she probably took the Haber surname. If she indeed died using the name Haber then that should be the name used in the article. The obvious exception to this would be if she gained her greatest notoriety under a different name. That is not the case. Her association with Haber and particularly the gossip about the motive for her suicide are the principal reasons she is remembered, rightly or wrongly. If being the first female Ph.D. at the University of Breslau was the source of her notoriety then she would not have a wiki article at all. It may well be that modern German custom has disfavored use of the married surname and that that revisionism manifests itself in current German-language sources. However, this is not yet the custom in the English-speaking world. Indigenous English-language sources have always called her Haber. Thus, it appears she should be addressed by the name of her choosing, which appears to have been Haber. [anonymous]

Creepy paragraph. 89.217.26.56 (talk) 14:40, 12 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Apart from the (sadly all too common) misuse of "notoriety" in place of, say "notability"/ "fame", which is merely "mildly annoying" rather than "creepy"- quite the pointed exaggeration on your part, no?- it seems a not unreasonable point to raise. Not sure what point you were attempting to score all those years ago. Although since it seems (as she herself lamented, lest I be considered uncharitable) the most notable thing she did was attain her Ph.D., and that before her marriage, "Immerwahr" over "Haber" doesn't seem markedly inappropriate, if, it could be argued, a little odd since the greater proportion of the article refers to her by her married name. Perhaps if one considers the relative proportions of her life spent with each name the page title is better justified? From 1870 to 1901 as "Immerwahr", compared to 1901-1915 as "Haber"? Not sure that's how this works, though. Probably the defining factors are her evident feminist views/ women's rights activism (which should surely have more attention given in the article?), clearly less-than-satisfactory marriage, by her own account and others, and husband's status as "father of chemical warfare", making a distancing of the wife from the husband narratively preferable for most people. Given, however, the latter part of her life was essentially bound up in the housewifely status she bemoaned- working on Haber's research/ translating it for him, raising their son- the opposite view might of course be arguable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.109.192.127 (talk) 00:06, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Women's rights activism[edit]

The article doesn't really go into this at all, and it's presumably(?) a large element in her individual notability. The Telegraph source cited gives "a long-forgotten heroine of the women’s rights movement", but itself neglects to present anything further of any activities she might have undertaken in the cause of women's rights. Frankly, the wording carries the strong implication that the women's rights movement consider her a heroine, raised to the pantheon of near-sainted pioneering women who went under the radar in their own lifetime, this probably in recognition of her educational attainment/ role in Haber's work and lack of recognition of same/ opposition to what she disliked in the applications of his research and criticism of the limitations of the married woman's role. There's no implication, as far as I can see- at least in the single source cited, the Telegraph aforementioned- that SHE was "an activist" at all. Do any other sources go into this, or is this a bit of received wisdom that crops up when her name is mentioned? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.109.192.127 (talk) 00:15, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

First use of poison gas[edit]

The first use of poison gas was on the eastern front, not Ypres as this article erroneously suggested. 198.161.4.41 (talk) 19:30, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]