Talk:Chennai–Alleppey Express

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This article currently has 2 references. The first is to a home page with no obvious link to the article, even via the Search box. The second is to a fan site, and therefore does not suffice the WP:PRIMARY requirements. The article should therefore remain tagged with {{Refimprove}} and {{Notability}} until better and primary sources have been given. Tim PF (talk) 10:02, 22 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like you need citation for every sentences. You made an edit in Bhopal Shatabdi Express. The page doesn't have any citations. Then why you not inlcude any tags der? Only here.
--Bijuts (talk) 11:56, 22 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oops, I didn't notice that earlier; I've now corrected (Bhopal Shatabdi Express). BTW, could you indent your comments on Talk pages (with ":"), please? Tim PF (talk) 12:53, 22 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have added {{Failed verification}} tags to both references, as neither specifically refer to a train named the "Alleppey Express". More specifically, Indian Railways calls it the "Chennai Express" when coming from Alleppey, whereas The Hindu calls it the "Chennai-Alleppey Express".

Please also note that your recent reversions to remove the {{Refimprove}} and {{Notability}} tags are quite possibly in contravention of the the three-revert rule. Tim PF (talk) 13:36, 22 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The train is called Alleppy Express. Here is a photographic evidence : http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/AlleppeyExpress.JPG.
See the 'spelling
The link for the 1944 beginning is here: http://www.hindu.com/mp/2004/06/24/stories/2004062401020100.htm
Hope it clears it up. DileepKS(talk) 02:49, 24 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The photograph shows that it probably bears the name "Alleppey Express" when travelling to Alleppey, but it neither shows it called that when Chennai bound, nor does it confirm its notability as per Wikipedia:Notability. The other link is already referenced -- see my comments above. Tim PF (talk) 09:07, 24 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That is the name board of the train, which stays on the guard van of the rake and never changes. In fact all sign boards in Indian Railways Trains (regular trains, not suburban) show both directions, so they stay the same during runs in either direction. The photograph is purely to show that the name of the train is Alleppey Express. Nothing more. It sure doesn't contribute to notability.

The notability is the fact that the train began service in 1944, and remained essentially the same, with the same number (added preceding digits notwithstanding) till now. If that is not sufficient notability in your view, I would leave it to other editors to comment.

DileepKS(talk) 09:41, 24 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, so the name board is essentially there to show the two endpoints of the route, which is why the "CHENNAI == ALLEPPEY" bit is in a much bigger typeface than "Alleppey Express"; that makes a certain amount of sense.
I do find it odd, however, that when I query the referenced Indian Railways Train Schedule page with "Alleppey", I get two different "ALLEPPEY EXP" trains (number 16308 from Kannur and 16041 from Chennai), but it doesn't list the 16042 from Alleppey to Chennai. Is the train from Kannur really also an "Alleppey express", or do the sign boards give it as the Cannanore Express? Tim PF (talk) 10:40, 24 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The Canannore-Alleppey Exp is simply named so, ie Canannore-Alleppey Exp. I looked for some evidence, but didn't find any readily forthcoming. Canannore Exp is another famous train running from Trivandrum - Canannore.

DileepKS(talk) 11:25, 24 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Please note
The references given should be sufficient for someone who does not know much about Indian Railways to be able to confirm that the subject of the article is notable. As already written above, I have checked the reference given (again), and they do not do that. I am therefore reverting the last edit to reinstate the tags. I will probably mark this article for deletion in the next few days if its notability cannot be established. Tim PF (talk) 16:17, 25 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
If this considering for deletion, please delete other trains of Indian Railways which are less important than this prestigious Express.
--Bijuts (talk) 14:27, 26 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
That's really an otherstuff argument, but if I come across others that also appear to lack notability, I'll tag them as well. You may, of course, tag those other trains yourself if you wish. Tim PF (talk) 00:35, 27 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Clear Reference already in the page for notability. Dear Tim, I think you do not know how to use Indian Railway website. Just go to this http://www.indianrail.gov.in/inet_trn_num.html and enter the train number. --Bijuts (talk) 07:41, 6 April 2011 (UTC) --Bijuts (talk) 07:41, 6 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If you carefully read my previous comments, you will see that I have already done that with various different train numbers or names. For example, using train number "16042", it returns a timetable with a train name of "CHENNAI EXPRESS".
Furthermore, a websearch for '"Alleppey Express" 16042 site:indiarailinfo.com' gives no direct results; they are all of the form of
  • 6041⇒16041 · Alleppey Express · Chennai Central/MAS, 09:34, on time ...
  • 6042⇒16042 · Chennai Express · Alappuzha/ALLP, 16:34, n/a, n/a ...
Please do not remove the tags again until you can give reliable references that actually back up the statements. Tim PF (talk) 13:17, 6 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
16041 is Alleppey Express towards Chennai and 16042 is the same Alleppey Express in return direction means towards Alleppey. The name CHENNAI EXPRESS for 16041 is given for convinience. Dear Tim Again requesting you to study well about Indian Railways naming and numbering system or you just make a trip in Indian trains. For your better reference please see the picture of Alleppey Express given in the article. It clearly says Alleppey Express is for train number 16041 and 16042. Please dont blindly insert the tags.
--Bijuts (talk) 13:43, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'd be glad to study more about Indian Railways naming and numbering system, and in fact it didn't take at all long to read the section at Indian Railways#Train Numbering, which says almost nothing.
As far as these trains are concerned, I have so far found nothing outwith this article to show that the 16042 is officially called the Alleppey Express; both Indian Railways and the fansite indiarailinfo.com appear to call it Chennai Express, and your description of convenience appears to be original research.
Whilst it is true that the picture uses both "6041" and "6042", it does not follow that this is official endorsement by Indian Railways, and is at odds with their website.
I have not blindly inserted any tags, but these have been added after careful consideration of the facts and references given in the article against Wikipedia guidelines, such as at WP:MOS, WP:V, WP:OR, etc., and they should be reinstated until relevant references are given or the article is deleted. Tim PF (talk) 13:25, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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