Talk:Charles Zentai

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Photos?[edit]

I'd like to see photos of Zentai and or the perpetrator. Is it true that face recognition is important to this case? There is a large variation in ability of people to recognize faces. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.169.83.75 (talk) 05:05, 6 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Added Internal Links[edit]

I have added Internal Links to this article. Kathleen.wright5 23:46, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There was a big mistake in the article. You've linked to the currently living Balazs Peter. Idiot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Robert Gerbicz (talk • contribs) 23:59, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The last two sentences were deleted since they were unsupported assertions and, in the case of the last sentence, not written in a neutral manner. Even if it could be proven that he only had $20,000 left, it is not appropriate to hypothesize in a neutral article as to how he might be able to pay his legal bills. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.81.136.227 (talk) 10:49, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Put the first deleted sentence back as is supported by the reference. Bakilas (talk) 02:08, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

'Holocaust perpetrators' category[edit]

Add him to Holocaust perpetrators category if he is convicted of the charges against him. Otherwise it is defamatory, as of yet he faces accusations of being a Holocaust perpetrator. One would not add someone to the category Murderers unless they have been convicted of murder in a court of law, correct? Why should this be any different? --67.149.150.252 (talk) 12:40, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Actually he disputes the charges. That means it's his word against the Simon-Wiesenthal-Center, which doesn't exactly have a reputation for honesty. --41.150.0.70 (talk) 10:09, 15 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
That's nonsense, there are many people who are claimed to be murderers, who were never convicted of murder in a court of law. Many murderers take their own life, or are killed in shoot-outs with police, in situations which leave nobody in much doubt that they were murderers. Would you disagree with referring to the perpetrator of the Virginia Tech massacre, as a murderer ? Or Osama bin Laden ? He wasn't convicted, either.Tallewang (talk) 07:45, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV[edit]

Zentai's actual participation in holocaust is disputed, until its not proven in court including template:holocaust is clearly violating NPOV as it implies connection which is actually disputed. Now about cat. "Hungarian Nazis", source you mentioned uses word nazi in relation with him only with "accused" or "suspect", which is definitely not enough, WP:BLPCAT. Secondly this source does not even use term "nazi" in appropriate context. This cat would be appropriate if he had been member of NSDAP or Arrow Cross Party or otherwise clearly identified having nazi political views. Currently article only mentions him as serving in Hungarian Army, which makes him about as much nazi, as belonging to Red Army makes someone communist/stalinist.--Staberinde (talk) 09:17, 19 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Staberinde: you're cherry-picking facts to support your personal POV. You're continuing to ignore the major point that the Australian Federal police arrested and indicted Zentai on Holocaust related charges, for which he's being extradited. Do not confuse Wikipedia with a court proceeding. No one has to be 'convicted' and of a crime and 'sentenced' before being accurately described on a Wikipedia webpage, since the principle requirement of this encyclopedia is that of verifiability, of which there is ample to document that Zentai is being extradited on Holocaust related crimes. Thus, an account of Zentai can accurately be written as: "Zentai was charged by the Australian Federal Police with Holocaust related crimes after he was alleged to have.....", which is exactly the same as Wikipedia's acceptable exemplar: "O.J. Simpson was charged with murder by the State of California after he was alleged to have murdered his ex-wife and a friend of hers in 1994." [In the context of legal action, alleged is understood to mean, "alleged by a privileged source such as a prosecutor". Note how the sentence attributes the allegations.].
As for the template, just as the same template is used for 'Survivors' and 'Jews of Nazi Germany', the Holocaust template does not imply Zentai's been convicted of a Holocaust related crime, only that their articles are related to the documentation of that project. Thus the Holocaust template will remain with the Zentai article. HarryZilber (talk) 18:46, 19 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Really ? What charge do you allege that he was "indicted" on ?Tallewang (talk) 07:47, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! 'Thus the Holocaust template will remain with the Zentai article.' Who do you think you are Mr Zilber, personal owner of this article? Fwiw, I agree with the original poster. The cats used include 2 with the word 'Fugitives'. Clearly the man's whereabouts are known, so how is he a fugitive, particularly since the Hungarians seem completely uninterested in him. Also, humorous to note the pitfalls in the oft so repeated 'verifiability' criterium of Wikipedia. By this I mean some of the references which refer to him as 'Nazi', the capitalised form of which should be used to refer to people who were actual members of the NSDAP, particularly when the word is used in its noun form (ref 1 in the article). But heck I guess I too am just picking cherries with this argument.1812ahill (talk) 12:37, 1 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

He's an 88 year old man. Have some compassion... 123.200.223.235 (talk)Me —Preceding undated comment added 11:40, 12 November 2009 (UTC).[reply]

thats an absurd statement, age does not undo the crime,if it took place,to which he will not stand trial to clear his name. so if you get away with a crime for most of your life you shouldnt be punished,how far would this extend? serial killers,child rapists? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.7.176.66 (talk) 03:07, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Fugitive status[edit]

Hi! It isn't a major concern, but the categories "Fugitives wanted on war crimes charges" and "Fugitives wanted on crimes against humanity charges" make me curious. As I understand it, the defence in the extradition case argued that Zentai shouldn't be extradited, as he hadn't been charged - instead, they argued, he was only wanted for questioning. Is that the case, and, if so, is he technically a fugitive, or more specifically, a fugitive wanted because of criminal charges? - Bilby (talk) 21:43, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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