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Alpine Guide[edit]

   In the lead 'graph, i found that he "became an Alpine Guide" in a specific year. An alpine guide is a specialist within the field of mountain guiding, something that objectively can be practiced (successfully and/or responsibly, or neither) by anyone who can get someone to follow them on a mountain. There undoubtedly are several organizations that confer such a capitalized title on those they have (perhaps) trained and in any case (unless fraud is involved, at least implicitly) tested, but if the term were to continue to be used with the caps i found, we would need not only the omitted reference but (at least via the refs and preferably explicitly in the article) the name of the trainer and/or certification organization whose endorsement is alleged to make being an Alpine Guide different from being just an alpine guide.
--Jerzy•t 02:57, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

   In fact, for the record, this deserves even more precision than that: What is wikt:Alpine is also wikt:alpine, but there are alpine areas in other many mountainous areas outside The Alps, none them being Alpine. The Cascade Alpine Guide and the American Alpine Club, we may infer, capitalize the word not because of the Alps, but for the same reason they capitalize "guide" and "club": because the word "alpine" is part of the proper name of said guidebook and of said club.
   As if that were not already "enough" confusion, there may well be organizations certifying guides as qualified to lead climbers in the alpine zones of their own respective geographic realms (presumably including making sure the guides understand the difference between alpine and Alpine!). I could understand if they certified to insurance companies that these guides were qualified Alpine Guides, even if i nagged them to use more precision.
   Finally, being certified as an Alpine Guide (i.e., qualified to lead climbs in the Alps) is not "the Everest" of mountain guiding. Don't settle for a certified Alpine Guide to lead you up Everest. (Nor for a mere certified Everest guide when tackling the true killer mountains in the Karakoram; altitude ain't everything, crucial tho it is.) Nor for that matter should you forget that what you and i consider "world-class" climbers die every year within the 48 states. I've climbed the eastern Mount Adams in the summer, but someone whose boots i'd worship before died there early this year, retreating from a summit or attempt.)
--Jerzy•t 20:59 & 22:53, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
   Shame on me! A more direct link than the ecological term, between the Alps and serious mountaineering elsewhere, is wikt:alpinism. Modern mountaineering is full of technology and techniques developed for the Alps: American climbers pretty much don't mind (or if they would care, don't know) that carabiner is a German word and arete a French one! (Sadly, i think the classic mountaineering cultures use other words for belaying, a good English word.)
--Jerzy•t 02:29, 21 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Grammar 101[edit]

   The clause "bolts, pitons, fixed ropes and other equipment abandoned by the 1959 expedition is plentiful..." has probably contained "is" to agree in number with the singular noun "equipment" (and not bcz "expedition" is singular!), so the colleague has erred not so badly in grammar as in style: the syntax was too complex to be readily comprehended by many fluent readers, and i've done a major reorganization of the passage.
--Jerzy•t 17:05, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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