Talk:Cecil Turtle

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Cecil's species[edit]

CECIL IS A TORTOISE, NOT A TURTLE! IS HIS DEBUT EPISODE CALLED TURTLE BEATS HARE? NO! HE'S A TORTOISE! --Wack'd About Wiki 14:33, 14 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I moved it back---the character's name is "Cecil Turtle". "Tortoise" and "Turtle" are used interchangeably in the shorts because it's funny, akin to how Bugs Bunny is called both a rabbit and a hare, despite those being two different types of animals. Anthony Dean 14:54, August 14, 2005 (UTC)

Which raises the question: Is Bugs Bunny really a rabbit, or is he really a hare? Wahkeenah 06:51, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I can tell, there's no difference in the universe where the film takes place. --Damian Yerrick (talk | stalk) 03:46, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

And even in the real world, "turtle" is close to "tortoise" union "sea turtle". So all tortoises are turtles. --Damian Yerrick (talk | stalk) 04:34, 2 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tortoise Wins ending[edit]

Is that bit at the end of the Tortoise wins by a hare accurate, or just vandalism? I live in the united states, and so for all i know it could be true, but i just find it hard to believe that they would include mass suicide in a cartoon. 12.218.144.63 01:20, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

It absolutely is true. I recall it from when I was a kid, and it's also included in the DVD version of the cartoon. Warner cartoons sometimes used outrageous imagery, both racial/ethnic and violent, and there were several cartoons where characters blew themselves away at the end. Standards for what was considered funny are a little different now than they were in the 1940s. Also, the cartoons' original audience was presumed to be adults. The typical broadcast version ends with the characters simply saying, "Now he tells us!" and immediate iris-out. And I can tell you that, even as a kid, I didn't find the suicide jokes funny, but they are what they are. Wahkeenah 06:48, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Setting the wording straight[edit]

An earlier edit using language like "they all look identical to Bugs" was changed because turtles don't look like rabbits. I intended to say that they appear identical to each other to Bugs, who enters the episode unfamiliar with turtles. But I'll grant that Wahkeenah's "they all look like Cecil" is probably better wording. --Damian Yerrick (talk | stalk) 05:49, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I know what you meant. But sometimes the way we word things comes out looking funny. Like the old joke about "a man with a wooden leg named Smith". :) Wahkeenah 05:56, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Iris-out...[edit]

...is a shorthand way of saying that the film ends and a black circle comes in and closes out the picture (much like the iris of the eye, or of a camera). Many films and cartoons end this way. The term is used in various film books, such as the Beck / Friewald book, Looney Tunes and Merrie Melodies, a highly detailed encyclopedia of the WB cartoons that is a secondary source for much of the material in wikipedia about the WB cartoons. Wahkeenah 03:53, 8 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Plot of Tortoise Beats Hare[edit]

I fixed the order of some of the plot points in "Tortoise Beats Hare." The old version had Cecil phoning for help right after making the bet with Bugs, but he actually makes the call after the start of the race. I also removed references to the other turtles as Cecil's cousins/relatives, since they are never referred to that way in the cartoon. (Maybe all turtles just look alike to us, as well as to Bugs?) 96.252.89.97 (talk) 05:19, 24 January 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.252.89.97[reply]

But is it even Bugs, or is it one of his relatives? Is there any evidence in the film or in any secondary source that the rabbit of Bugs's species with a voice identical to that of Bugs is in fact Bugs? Someone changed all instances of "Bugs" to "Speedy", allegedly the only name that can be verified within the film. --Damian Yerrick (talk | stalk) 02:53, 2 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pic request[edit]

The article needs a pic of Cecil with his shell on. Can anyone with a TV-in box and a video of "Tortoise Beats Hare" get a pic of the scene where Cecil phones Chester? You can adapt the rationale from the existing "naked Cecil" pic. --Damian Yerrick (talk | stalk) 00:08, 9 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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