Talk:Caroline Criado Perez

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Twitter harassment section[edit]

I've added the {{off-topic}} template to this section, as I think it strays away from being about Criado-Perez. This article is supposed to be a biography of her, but that section is more about harassment of women on Twitter in general. It may have been Criado-Perez that first brought the issue to public attention, but it's not really about her any more, and the content seems to me a bit misplaced in this article. Perhaps it should be placed in the Twitter article, or spun off into a separate one (2013 Twitter cyberharassment controversy?). Robofish (talk) 00:10, 6 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you about the separate article, obviously there is a limit to how expansive the section in the Twitter article itself can be. You are right too about the section persistently straying off the subject, although the sequence of events in the last ten days needs to be clear here without readers needing to access another article. You are correct also to query my use of 'criminal', given the lack of a conviction, although I didn't even identify the regions where the two suspects live, or name them. In the reliable sources, only Young seems to [doubt] that Criado-Perez and the other women have suffered criminal acts against them, and even he suggests calling the police in the most extreme cases. Hodges, slightly hypothetically, refers to the "arrest" of an "internet sicko". But obviously, these are not direct references to the individuals who were arrested, and are now bailed. Philip Cross (talk) 05:49, 6 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
This part of the article is totally polemical. Is this an encyclopedia or a blog? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.38.76.112 (talk) 04:47, 3 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
In the circumstances, the section cannot be anything other than opinionated. The point is that it retains a neutral point of view, that the sources are not interpreted in anyway. As Criado-Perez has not received any substantive criticism yet, the article may read as being one-sided. I removed the passage citing Dan Hodges and Toby Young because Craido-Preez is only mentioned in passing and their articles are more about harassment on twitter in general. Philip Cross (talk) 08:56, 3 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Earlier this evening someone using an anonymous IP address removed a substantial portion of this section. The undoubted twitter harassment of Criado-Perez, the threats of rape and death were referred to in the serious press and media on numerous occasions, is heavily covered here because the amount of attention it gained warrants it. For the moment, this is what the subject of the article is best known for. In writing this section, I tried to stick to the relation between Criado-Perez and twitter, but as I have already suggested the need for clarity perhaps necessitates that the article in this passage strays off the point to some extent. Philip Cross (talk) 22:51, 20 September 2013‎ (UTC)[reply]

Looking at the article again with fresh eyes, I no longer feel this section is inappropriate. It's clearly a major part of Criado-Perez's life and notability, and the criticism of Twitter that followed was mostly directly related to her own experience. I don't think it strays away from the topic, so have removed the 'off-topic' template. Robofish (talk) 00:53, 9 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Public School[edit]

The article in the "Early life and education" section is being perhaps very misleading about her early education. It says, "...she was sent to public school in England, but disliked that culture." I, and everyone I know, understand public school as meaning comprehensive school, somewhere the public are commonly sent to be educated as children. I am guessing in spite of that though, that in the context of this article, I should actually be substituting "public school" for "elitist and private fee paying school" as I am reading it. Because, it says "she disliked the culture" of the school, without explaining at all why, which I suspect is some kind of code for something negative to do with an aspect of the perceived culture of private schools which we aren't supposed to talk about, is that right? Does the article actually mean to say "elitist and private fee paying school", instead of "public school"? 86.148.22.119 (talk) 20:56, 7 January 2014‎

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Undoubtedly, it would have been a "private, fee-paying school" Criado-Perez attended, but 'public school' is standard usage in the UK. Formally, state schools are in the 'maintained' sector, although the term seems to be edging towards obsolescence now. I agree "she disliked the culture" (of the school) is somewhat vague, but it is not unclear in meaning, and current sources do not go into any detail. The phrase "elitist and private fee paying school" is inadmissible point of view on Wikipedia. Philip Cross (talk) 09:14, 8 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Personal life[edit]

Does she have one? Most people in Wikipedia do. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.175.56.45 (talk • contribs) 00:26, 11 May 2019 (UTC) (Please sign your comment with 4 tildes.)[reply]

Non-hyphenated name[edit]

see https://www.carolinecriadoperez.com/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.130.130.38 (talk) 04:53, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Apperantly, the name of the Wiki-page was spelled with a hyphen when it started.
On 10 November 2017, User:Ian E Brice requested renaming the Wiki-page from 'Caroline Criado-Perez' to 'Caroline Criado Perez', which was granted within a day, without a discussion with arguments for or against this renaming. It was listed under 'Uncontroversial technical requests'. I would think this is controversial, because her name is spelled differently from one source to another.
On 2 September 2018, User:Doc Taxon renamed the Wiki-page from 'Caroline Criado Perez' to 'Caroline Criado-Perez', with argument: "self-written: Criado-Perez".
Her name was spelled with a hyphen on her book 'Do it like a woman', but on her book 'Invisible women', it wasn't. In the references on this Wiki-page, it is sometimes spelled with, and sometimes without hyphen. On the official website it's without, as you mentioned, and it's also without on her own Twitter page. She seems to prefer the name without the hyphen herself, so I'd think it would be best to remove the hyphen. Laurier (talk) 12:21, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
No-one replied to my comment; I renamed the page. Laurier (talk) 11:20, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting link[edit]

Maybe we can use this interview with Criado Perez on 99percentinvisible.org somewhere on this Wiki-page? Laurier (talk) 13:13, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Transphobic?[edit]

Some comment is necessary on the perception of her views as transphobic and the ensuing polemic around it. 31.4.130.46 (talk) 13:13, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Please add a source for this information. Laurier (talk) 10:05, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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