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I've head it called "Dead Man's Grip" and so on. Slang. 80.47.77.217 16:59, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Shoudn't this article be merged with the postmortem spasm one? They seem to mean the same thing. If not, then the difference should be pointed out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.210.209.183 (talk) 19:52, 19 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright?[edit]

After reading this short wikipedia article, and `Postmortem Changes and Time of Death' which is linked to it, it's quite apparant that much of this article were cut-and-pasted straight from the paper. Granted, it's only a sentence or two, and there's only a limited number of ways to say what's being said, but when does it become a copyright violation?

(of course, since the source was cited, I don't see any evidence of dishonesty ...)

dougmc 23:02, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge[edit]

As pointed out on the discussion page for both this article, and that of Postmortem spasm, they appear to be referring to the exact same occurrence. As such, I've proposed a merge. If there is a difference between the two articles, it should be pointed out, and I think alterations should be made on the articles themselves to reflect this, as they currently appear to be identical. Jiminizer (talk) 22:03, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

These pages appear to be identical, as some of the alternate terms are used to describe both (instantaneous rigor, cataleptic rigidity) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.177.201.162 (talk) 03:53, 7 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

As you can see, I went ahead and merged the articles. Jdfoote (talk) 06:52, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Petrification?[edit]

This article seems to describe a very similar effect that occurs in Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets when one has been petrified. Maybe it should warrant a mention? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.2.164.121 (talk) 07:37, 29 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What are you trying to say? How is it any similar to mythological petrification? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.103.78.229 (talk) 13:40, 14 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Pysiological mechanism?[edit]

The physiological mechanism explains the mechanism of rigor mortis. But since “cadaveric spasm” is a different entity and a whole other entry in this encyclopedia, the mechanism section here is counterproductive. It only causes more confusion and makes it more difficult to distinguish between rigor mortis and cadaveric spasm. I think it should be rewritten with better references and with greater emphasis on the differences between cadaveric spasm and rigor mortis.

To elaborate, cadaveric spasm by definition occurs immediately after, or at the time of death. Even with strenuous muscle work right before death, ATP is not completely depleted, as evidenced by the fact that if the victim was running (in many instances as fast and as much as they could) before their death ,and thus depleted much of their atp, they only changed the pattern of rigor mortis development (starting in the legs) and shortened the time interval between the time of death and onset of rigor mortis. This means there has to be a crucial difference in the physiology of these phenomena.

Also the last sentence in the introductory paragraph states "cadaveric spasm is usually associated with violent deaths happening under extremely physical circumstances with intense emotion" cited with "forensics for dummies". I think such a notion needs a much better reference.

93.103.78.229 (talk) 15:26, 14 February 2015 (UTC)profo[reply]

Article Critique and Suggestions[edit]

This article is written well, but it is lacking specifics and validity. The majority of the facts presented don't have sources. Also, it is hard to understand the difference between cadaveric spasms and rigor mortis. The examples of rigor mortis in the deaths of Kurt Cobain and John Kennedy seem out of place and don't have supporting sources. The scientific information about cadaveric spasms need to be supported by scholarly research to create validity of the article.

Of the two references, the link for the first reference ( "Postmortem Changes and Time of Death") is out of date and doesn't direct you to the source.

--Duewekez (talk) 22:14, 29 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]