Talk:Bryan FitzAlan, Lord FitzAlan

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Source?[edit]

This material reads oddly. Has it been copied from an out-of-copyright source, such as the dictionary of biography noted at the end? If it does, this should be more explicitly noted. hamiltonstone (talk) 10:25, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Those aren't his arms, but FitzAlan of Arundel.[edit]

http://www.apl385.com/gilling/fitzalan.gif

These are his arms, and are on the front cover of the Early History of Bedale by H.B. McCall. I have an original copy of this book, a real antique.

http://www.yorkshirecdbooks.com/Descriptions/Bedale.html

It must be pointed out that these two families are different, but may indeed share Breton ancestry. Lords FitzAlan of Bedale have Scolland of Richmond Castle as their founder, and zero connections with the Southeast, except the Erringtons-as-Stapletons married into the Howards of Norfolk, which brought the latter the title of Beaumont. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.43.105.15 (talk) 08:37, 27 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The FitzAlans, like their kin the Stewarts of Scotland, were male-line descendants of the Dapifer (Steward) of the Archbishop of the Ancient Diocese of Dol in Brittany. Dol was within the extended County of Penteur (Penthievre in French), which was founded by Odo, Count of Penthièvre, father of Count Alan Rufus who founded the castle and town at Richmond, North Yorkshire.

Conan IV, not II[edit]

Conan IV (1138 – February 20, 1171) was 2nd (official) Earl of Richmond as well as Duke of Brittany, whereas Conan II (c. 1033 – 11 December 1066) was Duke of Brittany, but not an Earl of Richmond; he died, without any recorded offspring, before Richmond was founded. Zoetropo (talk) 11:26, 4 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

(That said, this line didn't descend from Conan IV, they descended from his illegitimate half-brother, the first Bryan fitz Alan, per Alan,_1st_Earl_of_Richmond) - FitzwilliamDarcy (talk) 16:41, 9 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sheriff?[edit]

Query whether he was ever Sheriff of Yorkshire. We have a Bryan FitzAlan listed for 1236-39, but that must surely have been the grandfather of this Bryan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FitzwilliamDarcy (talk • contribs) 18:06, 26 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]