Talk:Bonn–Oberkassel dog

Bonn–Oberkassel dog is currently a World history good article nominee. Nominated by Generalissima (talk) (it/she) at 20:03, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

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Short description: Late Paleolithic dog specimen

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A fact from Bonn–Oberkassel dog appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 13 May 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that ancient humans cared for a 14,000-year-old puppy?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2024/May. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Bonn–Oberkassel dog.

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Did you know nomination[edit]

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The result was: promoted by PrimalMustelid talk 01:32, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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... that ancient humans cared for a 14,000-year-old puppy? Source: Janssens, L., Giemsch, L., Schmitz, R., Street, M., Van Dongen, S., & Crombé, P. (2018). A new look at an old dog: Bonn-Oberkassel reconsidered. Journal of Archaeological Science, 92, 126–138. doi:10.1016/j.jas.2018.01.004, p. 10 "The dog was young and sick, likely was untrained as a result, and thus had no obvious utilitarian value to surrounding humans. Thus, we hypothesize further that the inferred supportive care probably was due to compassion or empathy, without any expectation of reciprocal utilitarian benefits. We suggest that the Bonn-Oberkassel dog provides the earliest known evidence for a purely emotion-driven human-dog interaction."
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Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 23:16, 18 April 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

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Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
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Great work on the article, Generalissima! That's quite an interesting hook; humans caring for a 14,000-year-old puppy?! Anyway, for the hook's source, which I managed to track down using the DOI in the article and leading me to a ScienceDirect source, and verifies the hook as the data "statistically overlaps 14C". Again, great work! :) ~ Tails Wx (🐾, me!) 02:42, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Bonn–Oberkassel dog/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Generalissima (talk · contribs) 20:03, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: NegativeMP1 (talk · contribs) 17:03, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Since you reviewed my FAC for Hotline Miami 2. It'll take me a little bit to get to this one, but I'm going ahead and marking it. λ NegativeMP1 17:03, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@NegativeMP1: Just checking in! Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 19:36, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I forgor, got caught in some stuff. I'll try to get to this before too long. λ NegativeMP1 20:37, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I was unable to find any issues within the prose, and I'll be performing a spotcheck later when I have enough time to go through the Wikipedia Library to look at sourcing. λ NegativeMP1 18:27, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dog's date[edit]

This statement is puzzling:

The Oberkassel site was previously dated to the Middle Magdalenian .... Radiocarbon dating of the remains in the 1990s instead dated the site to the early portion of the Late Glacial Interstadial.

The puzzle is that (according to WP) the middle Magdalenian is 14,000-15,000 BP and the early Late Glacial Interstadial is 14,000-14,600 BP. They are in the same time range. So, what does this statement mean? Zaslav (talk) 05:34, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Zaslav Good catch, think I had intended to write that the date was further specified but wrote that unclearly. I think it's worded better. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 05:54, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for trying. It seems the same to me. I think you're trying to say the age was "narrowed", but I don't see how. We non-experts don't see any difference at all between Middle Magdalenian and early Late Glacial Interstatial (with which we are unfamiliar) and no meaningful difference between 14,000-15,000 BP (my guess about "Middle Magdalenian") and 14,000-14,670 BP. Note that I use dates because the period names have no meaning to me. Generalissima (talk) (it/she)

If radiocarbon gives a date range, please just state the date range. That's independent of conventional names and more precise. Thanks. Zaslav (talk) 07:33, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I added a parenthetical date; what differs is that it's specifically the earliest portion of that range and that the dating was in reference to geological period rather than cultural periods, which are usually messier and vaguer to date to. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 14:06, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]