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Jeff Kazee in list of Band Members?

Jeff Kazee played with the band as a second (touring) keyboardist during the Have a Nice Day Tour, as well as during the two Borgata shows promoting This Left Feels Right and the Box Set.

I believe he should be listed as a touring musician in the "Band Members" section of this article.

If Kurt Johnston, who only played 20-30 shows with Bon Jovi, is mentioned, why shouldn't Kazee, who played with them during an entire tour, be? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.191.190.75 (talk) 02:19, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

Phil X

Phil X should be now considered as an official band member. The reason? He's listed as one on the band's official Facebook page[1]. PanosBonJovi (talk) 16:55, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

Jeff Kazee as touring member in 2005-06

Jeff Kazee played additional keyboards during the entirety of the Have a Nice Day tour. Is there any particular reason as to why he is not listed, while Kurt Johnston, who was only with the band during the first third of the Lost Highway tour, is? Shouldn't Kazee be listed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.164.227.82 (talk) 14:54, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

Burning Bridges

Recent edits on Bon Jovi pages are purely opinion-based. The album Burning Bridges is a full-fledged studio album, as it was marketed, released, and listed as such on the band's website. A compilation album is either an album with songs which were released previously, remixes, or an album with various artists. The album has songs that were written, and worked on before, but finished and released by the band in 2015. Jon has called the album a 'fan record', meaning he did it for the fans. He and the record label were having disputes at the time and so he has called it an "obligatory album" to finish their contract together. This in no way states that it is not a studio album. Burningblue52 (talk)

If an album is "marketed" as a studio album but all the reviews call it a compilation album (or "fan album") then the marketing department is not the defining source. The reviews are. Binksternet (talk) 17:20, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
Furthermore, a studio album is typically an album that contains tracks from a series of recordings, the recordings taking place after the previous album was recorded. Burning Bridges is a collection (compilation) of recordings from all over the timeline. Binksternet (talk) 17:21, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
All songs were recorded for Buring Bridges. The songs are old, as some of they have been written for previous albums, but the recordings are new, and even some songs are brand new too. Please check your sources, this have been said several times by not only Jon Bon Jovi on interviews but by producer John Shanks on his Twitter account. --190.194.166.16 (talk) 19:50, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
This source says that the album has no musician credits or recording information. It says that the previously unused songs may be old recordings.
This source says that the album is a "fan album" which is a collection of songs. Binksternet (talk) 20:16, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
This source says that the album contains "outtakes and other tracks" and isn't being marketed as a "serious" studio album from the band. Binksternet (talk) 20:19, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
This is an ongoing inconsistency within the site's Bon Jovi pages, as it is listed as a compilation album on the album's page as well as on the Bon Jovi discography page. These inconsistencies further make the following album This House is Not For Sale inaccurate as the band's studio album count is now off. This is something that I can see has been corrected multiple times, and discussed on various talk pages here on Wikipedia, and yet some stubborn editor is continuously reverting it back, though they have not done so with sources/references to their edits. This is not in accordance with Wikipedia's guidelines of edits like these in which there is a dispute over accuracy. Where the editors have shown that it is a studio album, shouldn't that be the case with this edit? The songs may have been written before, but the recordings are all new as reported on the Producer's Twitter page. The album's lead guitar tracks for example are all recorded by the producer, suggesting that the instrumentation and recordings thereof are all new. With the album referenced as a studio album on the above stated references, how is this even a debate?

The album is multiple times called a studio album. Editors who keep changing it back have no references for calling it a 'compilation album'....doesn't this again solidify that the album is a studio album. I would assume that sources outweigh the OPINIONS of editors that keep on changing it back. 50.232.205.246 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 19:31, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 October 2016

87.202.142.161 (talk) 19:15, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Mlpearc (open channel) 19:32, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

New touring guitarist John Shanks

Why isn't John Shanks listed, who is the current rhythm guitar player? Matt O'Rea actually only performed on a short tour in 2015 but isn't part of the current line up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:A61:3298:E701:BDFA:39A4:2FB0:4BBD (talk) 18:58, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

Addition of instruments not used on tour

Someone has been falsely adding instruments like the tambourine, maracas, harmonica and accordion across various Bon Jovi tour articles and I also discussed this at Bon Jovi Live talk page.--Kevjgav (talk) 21:51, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 November 2016

112.215.200.64 (talk) 05:41, 1 November 2016 (UTC) Just missing with the personnel band members

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Topher385 (talk) 09:40, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 November 2016

Jstwlly (talk) 05:58, 1 November 2016 (UTC) Missing or mistakes for personnel — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jstwlly (talk • contribs) 06:07, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Topher385 (talk) 09:40, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 November 2016

Jstwlly (talk) 06:06, 1 November 2016 (UTC) There is missing for personnel : Session Members like Jeff Kazee who is filled for David for The Tour last on O2 2010,Rich Scanella who is filled in for Tico who was awaiting surgery in 2013

Not done: as you have not requested a specific change in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
More importantly, you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 12:23, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 November 2016

Bonjovilovers (talk) 11:44, 3 November 2016 (UTC) Based on my experience, the Bon Jovi passed live show has introduce the band members and can be seen what instrument that they played through all of previous Bon Jovi Live. According to the current page view,there are some MISSING and MISTAKES with the band members or another major edits like typo,etc that must or need to re-edit this page to make sure it's correct THANK YOU :)

Not done: as you have not requested a specific change in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
More importantly, you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 13:21, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 November 2016

Bonjovilovers (talk) 11:50, 3 November 2016 (UTC) Just wanted to re-edit this page and make sure the typo or other is correct

 Not done This is not the right page to request additional user rights.
If you want to suggest a change, please request this in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
Please also cite reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 13:22, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 June 2017

Please remove the wikilinks from Alec John Such as it redirects straight back the the "Bon Jovi" article or otherwise create an article for him.--71.200.109.219 (talk) 07:56, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

 Done. Thank you for the suggestion. Deli nk (talk) 12:14, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

Grammar issue

Phil X and McDonald both become official members in 2016.

The above line, in the first paragraph of the page, given that 2016 is in the past, should read:

Phil X and McDonald both became official members in 2016.

 Done. Deli nk (talk) 12:15, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

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This article needs more sources!

The history section is just filled with unsourced content. I'm going to try to find sources but if I could get some help that would be nice. It may take a while. Bowling is life (talk) 14:44, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

David Bryan plays pedal steel guitar?

Does anyone have a source for this? I can't find info online anywhere. EPBeatles (talk) 18:49, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

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The band timeline graph

This is getting too complicated. I think that the chart/graph should only include official members seeing as the others are only included as 'session musicians' or 'additional musicians', or even just touring members. Most band history graphs like these only include album credited band mates. My suggestion is that he graph only include official band members. Burningblue52 (talk)

signed and date-stamped for archive purposes only William Harris • (talk) • 04:01, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

Dave Sabo

Jon Bon Jovi said in several interviews that he was never a band member but a touring one. Why is he under the past members tab?

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Semi-protected edit request on 21 March 2018

Thus far, Bon Jovi has released 13 studio albums, plus six compilations and three live albums. The band has sold more than 100 million records worldwide,(Correct number : 130.000.000 Million Records Worldwide) JOVI7826 (talk) 12:06, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

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Alec John Such

Please make a Wikipedia page for Alec John Such. The Dweeb.30 (talk) 08:01, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

@The Dweeb.30: You should make a request at Wikipedia:Requested articles - FlightTime Phone (open channel) 16:31, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Bobby Bandiera

Bobby Bandiera started touring with BJ since "This Left Feels Right" album promo show on November 14th 2003. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_Left_Feels_Right_Live and Bobby Bandiera's last show with BJ was in Brisbane on 17th December 2013, and he never played with whole BJ after that. (in article is said 2005-2015, correct should be 2003-2013). Please fix that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mraskammm (talk • contribs) 22:04, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

Jeff Kazee

Jeff Kazee toured on "This Left Feels Right" album promo shows in 2003. (in the article is said 2005-2006, one-off show in 2010; it should be 2003,2005-2006, one-off show in 2010). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mraskammm (talk • contribs) 22:08, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

John Shanks

John Shanks is touring with Bon Jovi since 2016 and not since 2015. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mraskammm (talk • contribs) 21:56, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

I would take this discussion further and suggest that John Shanks is an official member of Bon Jovi. He played guitar on at least the last two albums and appears in most music videos. SamArmand (talk) 17:27, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

Concerning the original point though, 2015 is correct. They did a couple of shows in 2015 after releasing Burning Bridges where John Shanks was present. SamArmand (talk) 17:30, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

Infobox photo update

Since Richie Sambora departed from the band in 2013. and Phil X and Hugh McDonald became official members of the band, I think is time to change the infobox photo where are all 5 current band members shown: Hugh McDonald, Tico Torres, Jon Bon Jovi, David Byan and Phil X.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Mpavletic (talk • contribs) 18:59, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

@Mpavletic: The file you uploaded and added to the article, however, is a non-free file and such a file is pretty much never going to be allowed per non-free content use criterion #1 of Wikipedia's non-free content use policy as explained in Wikipedia:Non-free content#Meeting the no free equivalent criterion. If you or someone else want to use an image showing all of the current band members in the main infobox, then you're either going to have to find or create a freely licensed file and use that instead. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:14, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

Comments and questions

1. "Following a second hiatus, their 2000 album Crush, particularly the lead single, "It's My Life", successfully introduced the band to a younger audience."

The first hiatus was never mentioned.

2. " In March 1983, Bon Jovi called David Bryan, who in turn called bassist Alec John Such and an experienced drummer named Tico Torres, both formerly of the band Phantom's Opera."

Who is "both"? Alec and John, John and Tico, Alec and Tico?

3. "They visited 37 countries, performed 177 shows and seen them play to 2.5 million fans on the Keep the Faith Tour/I'll Sleep When I'm Dead Tour."

I don't understand the usage of "seen them play" and the sentence sounds weird.

4. My recollection of the exit of Alec John Such from a video I have seen years ago was that John and Richie hinted about a dismissal of Alec due to the fact he said something they did like. I clearly remember a comment they made that included the expression "public laundry". My recollection is that Alec said something that John and Richie did not like so Alec ultimately got fired. This article tells a different story. It sounds like Alec left but I think he was fired.

5. "So far the tour has played to 1,909,234 fans and has grossed $201.1 million from more than 80 venues reported to Pollstar."

"So far" is no longer actual. It must be updated.

6. "£790 million dollars"?

Is it pounds or dollars? Correct as necessary.

7. "On April 29, 2018, the band performed at the BMO Harris Bradley Center, in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, as the last ticketed event at the venue before the start of demolition in the summer of 2018."

Demolition of what? Clearly, it's the venue. Rewrite as necessary.

8. The "Solo projects" section does not only talk about solo projects. There is more than that. The section should be relabeled to "Solo projects and more" or something similar.

9. The "Musical style" section mentions glam metal, hard rock and pop-metal. As somebody who knows Bon Jovi well, particularly for the period 1984-1995, I must say that the style is certainly hard rock, maybe a little glam metal but mostly for the looks rather than for the music (Ratt and Poison are by all means more glam metal bands). Bon Jovi, except for a few songs, is definitely not primarily a metal band and "pop-metal" is just another label for glam metal.

ICE77 (talk) 06:08, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Number 9 is pure opinion, we stick to what the majority of sources say, not what we personally think. I agree with most of the other stuff, but my question is why did you even post this on the talk page, when you could simply fix the mistakes yourself? Category adder :D (talk) 06:37, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

9. I would like to see what the majority of professional and unbiased sources uses as classification. Mine is not an opinion but a classification based on years and years of playing/listening hard rock, glam metal and other types of metal.

I often make modifications to Wikipedia articles that needs to be obviously made while I leave comments for things that require feedback. I could make a change to the classification but some things need a common consensus based on facts and documentation. I am not saying pop-metal is incorrect. I am just saying that it's equivalent to glam metal.

ICE77 (talk) 18:26, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

Edit request: First paragraph

First paragraph says The band have been credited with "[bridging] the gap between heavy metal and pop with style and ease."

Assuming the text bridging is supposed to be a wikilink to an article, it needs some work. 2601:CF:300:4B70:3C63:3B97:9421:7DB2 (talk) 20:06, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Two minor mistakes/corrections

- In the last paragraph of the introduction it says "Bon Jovi has released 16 studio albums, five compilations and three live albums." 16 is wrong, it should be 15.

- In the sections "Burning Bridges and This House Is Not for Sale (2015–2018)" (third paragraph) it says "In November 4, 2016, the band officially released their 13th studio album, This House Is Not for Sale …" "This House Is Not for Sale" is the 14th studio album, not the 13th one (that is "Burning Bridges") – according to the discography below as well.

Could somebody fix this? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:D8:571F:7213:9C34:8136:C161:DC29 (talk) 18:32, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

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Proposed merge of Alec John Such into Bon Jovi

Consensus to merge clearly won't develop. WP:SNOW. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:55, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Alec John Such's page was a redirect to Bon Jovi, until his unfortunate death. While a few obituary pieces came out, this does not make AJS notable enough for his own page. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:45, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

  • Disagree He was a founding member and is inducted as such into the Rock Hall. I consider Such notable on his own. Rusted AutoParts 00:15, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
  • Disagree The article features enough sources to establish independent notability in addition to Such's Rock Hall induction. In addition, the page being initially redirected into Bon Jovi was not as a result of lack of notability, but the fact the original incarnation of the article from 2015 or so lacked any sources at all. This issue is now fixed with the new version. Sparkysilverfish (talk) 01:35, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
  • Disagree While the article is short, there's no doubt that he's notable in his own right, with nothing that can't be addressed through normal editing. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 07:15, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
  • Disagree Subject is clearly notable to have their own article, although heavy expansion is needed. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 09:44, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
  • Disagree He was notable in his own right. Was a fixture of the New Jersey music scene and helped bring drummer Tico Torres and guitarist Richie Sambora into the band. Founding member of Bon Jovi and played on six albums, including their three biggest albums, and all coinciding tours. Was with the band for 11-12 years, arguably their most prolific and notable period. Rock Hall inductee, proving his notability. There was pretty substantial coverage of his death, further proving up his impact to American popular music. Agree that the original article was lacking in sources, but that the new article resolves that. Article certainly worthy and in need of expansion. Abog (talk) 18:39, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
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