Talk:Blood Oath (Star Trek: Deep Space Nine)

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Copyvio[edit]

This material is mostly a copy-paste from the memory-alpha.org source. I'm going to flag it as a copyvio and send it to SD within the week if this isn't rectified. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 21:17, 1 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've listed at WP:CP. See WT:CP for more on this. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 21:15, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright problem removed[edit]

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GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: Ed! (talk · contribs) 23:49, 24 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, DS9! I'm working my way through season 5 on Netflix right now. —Ed!^(talk) 23:49, 24 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You're well over the hump of the early not so great episodes (they weren't stinkers like the early TNG episodes). There are some brilliant episodes coming. DS9 is easily my favourite Star Trek series. Miyagawa (talk) 19:21, 25 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

""Blood Oath" featured the return of three actors in Klingon roles that they had previously portrayed in Star Trek: The Original Series." -- Just clarify the three actors by their last names here.

Done. Miyagawa (talk) 19:21, 25 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"The story was originally entitled "The Beast" and was intended..." The graph notes the characters are based on parts from several plays, but doesn't say how. I believe there was some commentary about their development (Dax had to appeal to the three of them in different ways, as you note)

Added some quotes from Star Trek.com which described how each of them ended up being in the final version. Miyagawa (talk) 19:35, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There should be some discussion of themes, which were more prominent in DS9. I believe the episode dealt both with Dax's feelings of obligation to something her previous host had committed to, and also the moral ambiguity of her deciding to murder someone and how her friends were clearly not OK with it.

I've added a theme section, but it is a little limited as annoyingly my Highbeam account has run out in the last couple of weeks and so I've lost access to a bunch of the Star Trek books that discussed themes. Miyagawa (talk) 19:35, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Since you discuss the Klingon characters' story arcs, maybe it would also be prudent to talk about how the Trill are developed with the idea of hosts and how they deal with previous lives ("Rejoined" could use a mention)

Done, although I couldn't get Rejoined in there. Miyagawa (talk) 19:35, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No duplicate links or dab links. All external links look fine.
Images appear to be properly licensed. I see no problems with article neutrality or stability.

Placing the article on hold pending improvements. —Ed!^(talk) 00:40, 25 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I might need a couple of days with this as I just picked up a copy of The Making of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine after stumbling across it in a charity shop. As it is quite a hefty book but concentrates on the first few seasons, there are bound to be a mention of this episode. I haven't had a chance to look at it yet, but I've had a flick through as I thought it might initially have been only about the pilot but I noticed it mentioned some specific details for other episodes too. Miyagawa (talk) 12:56, 25 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Annoyingly it didn't cover anything specific about Blood Oath, but it sure is a wealth of information for when I get around to doing "Melora" - apparently the guest character in there was originally intended to be the science officer on DS9 instead of Dax. Even features how her and Ro Laren would have interacted (which admittedly was pretty similar to the Kira-Dax dynamic). Miyagawa (talk) 19:38, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Definitely have to agree this is my favorite series. I'm really a fan of the examination of the "paradise" concept established in the previous two series. That and I like the darker mood and the long ranging story arcs, especially the Dominion War.

Anyway, the article passes GA, good work once again! —Ed!^(talk) 23:22, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Andrea Moore Alton[edit]

The Infobox mentions "Andrea Moore Alton" as being credited on screen for the story idea. The Production section does not explain or even mention anything about Andrea Moore Alton. The Infobox is supposed to "to summarize (and not supplant) key facts that appear in the article". I hope an adequate explanation can be added to the Production section at some point. -- 109.78.208.59 (talk) 15:45, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I checked the end credits and the opening credits but I'm not seeing this story idea credit. (At approximately 7 minutes into the episode, shortly after the main credits, there are credits for "Co-Executive Producer Ira Steven Behr" then "Television Story and Teleplay by Peter Allan Fields" and then "Directed by" etc.) Perhaps the user who added the credit[1] Cbbkr (talk · contribs) can clarify and provide an explanation. -- 109.78.208.59 (talk) 16:02, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Should have read more carefully. The reference actually does specify a time and it is in the end credits right near the very end. It is not clear that it should necessarily be included in the Infobox at all, but it should probably be explained in the Production section. -- 109.78.208.59 (talk) 16:18, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Andrea Moore Alton[2] does not appear to have any other credits, my educated guess would be that this is a case of a story idea pitched through the open submissions policy, bought then almost entirely rewritten into what the epside eventually became. The production section already suggests the concept was substantially overhauled. Now if only a reliable source can be found to clarify the matter. -- 109.78.208.59 (talk) 16:29, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]