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Name[edit]

"Constance Sylvia Gladys Munston"? All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 13:25, 10 September 2016 (UTC).[reply]

Hi, Rich. What's your question? See this, if you're questioning the birth name. -- Ssilvers (talk) 15:21, 10 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I suspect it's "how does a baby have a birth surname of Munston if her father is named John Lillie and her mother is named Lucy Ann Shaw?" The answer seems to be "she doesn't." If, as is sometimes said, her birthname was Constance Sylvia Munston, her autobiography betrays no evidence of it. No idea of how this little "tidbit" of what seems to be misinformation became so widespread. If by some chance it happens to be true (adoption?) it surely requires explanation. - Nunh-huh 19:55, 10 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Her birth registry is available online from FamilySearch; registration number 040861 May 29 1894, Beatrice Gladys Lillie, daughter of John Lillie and Lucy Ann Sh[aw], registered June 25, 1894. Reference: "Ontario Births, 1869-1911," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FMW4-3HW : 15 January 2016), Beatrice Gladys Lillie, 29 May 1894; citing Birth, Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada, citing Archives of Ontario, Toronto; FHL microfilm 1,846,244. No Munston anywhere in sight. - Nunh-huh 20:03, 10 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

So the issue is not just about the surname Munston but also the given names Constance and Sylvia, none of which appear in her birth registration. My extensive search has failed to produce any answer. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 20:30, 10 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I suspect it's just misinformation that's been copied from source to source to source without any justification. Misinformation of which we now have become purveyors. - Nunh-huh 21:49, 10 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. I've made an interim edit, until someone comes up with more info. -- Ssilvers (talk) 22:31, 10 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Nicely done! - Nunh-huh 22:39, 10 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Suspicion of what?[edit]

As Lillie's mental abilities declined ...she relied more and more on Huck, whom her friends viewed with suspicion.

Could somewhat elucidate? Valetude (talk) 23:07, 27 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, her friends thought that he was using her senility and dependency to obtain material and social advancement for himself - a young man taking advantage of an increasingly feeble old woman. Friends are often suspicious of a very young man who is not very successful in his own career, who latches onto a famous and successful woman decades older than he is, feeling that he is more concerned with benefitting himself (both before and after her death), rather than the one he is nominally caretaker for. This can be fair or unfair, but in that a conservatorship was eventually declared, one gathers that the court thought these suspicions at least reasonable. In this case, he seems to have died less than a week after her, and as a consequence her estate was tied up in litigation for years. - Nunh-huh 01:52, 28 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]