Talk:Battle of Oranik (1448)

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Did this battle happen?[edit]

Neither Frasheri nor Schmitt mention it. Francione and Hodgkinson do, however.--Gaius Claudius Nero (talk) 20:11, 11 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Noli does mention it. According to him it happened on 14 August 1448. Albanian champion was Pal Maneshi. Ottoman loses 5000 men, 15 standards. Mustafa Pasha and 12 officers were captured by Moisi Golemi. Page 532 Noli vepra vell 4 (3 versions of Noli works on skanderbeg are on this volume) publisher akademia shkencave shqiperise 1989 P. S Frasheri and Schmitt are Not interested in battles, they rarely mention them briefly.eg Frasheri has only three lines on the most brilliant battle (ujebardhes) these writers are more interested in skanderbeg figure and politic, not in des ription of battles (where everyone uses barletius and other contemporary testimonies)Aigest (talk) 22:12, 11 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That's what I was hoping.--Gaius Claudius Nero (talk) 01:58, 12 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Where is Oranik?[edit]

Unresolved

Where is Oranik?

This article says that its location is: Upper Dibra, Albania.
The article about another battle of Oranik says that its location is: Plains of Oranik, Albania
The article about 2nd Vaikal says: Oranik, in the fields of Vajkal, and location of Vajkal is described in the article about the Battle of Vaikal as "Vaikal valley, near Ohrid" which is in Macedonia (see the coordinates in the article).
The article about the Battle of Meçad (1465) says that Meçad is also in Upper Dibra, near Oranik.

--Antidiskriminator (talk) 11:20, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

See Talk:Battle_of_Oranik_(1456)#Where_is_Oranik.3F --Antidiskriminator (talk) 20:47, 4 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Albanians vs. Ottoman Turks[edit]

The article presents this conflict as ethnic conflict between Albanians and Ottoman Turks. Because that was not the case I replaced Ottoman Turks with Ottomans. It should be good to clarify that term Albanians means demonym.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 12:23, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]