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Katy Perry speculation[edit]

Just in case I get reverted again, the information about Katy Perry does not belong. Per WP:SPECULATION: "Speculation and rumor, even from reliable sources, are not appropriate encyclopedic content." And since it is speculation, it is from reliable sources, but it cannot be included. -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 21:17, 11 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

(merging the two threads; as you posted yours while I was preparing mine) Joseph Prasad has repeatedly removed references to reliable sources suggesting that Katy Perry may be the subject of the song, on the grounds that Swift has not said so. Ordinarily, such gossip wouldn't be worthy of inclusion, but when it's reported by a multitude of sources including Washington Post (includes lyrical analysis), Time (includes lyrical analysis), USA Today, Billboard, E!, LA Times, Telegraph, MTV, and Gawker – amongst others – the omission becomes quite glaring. WP:SPECULATION tells us not to include speculation about future events, speculation based on original research, or speculation/rumors (even from reliable sources) about new products. Note that SPECULATION points to Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, which solely discusses future or anticipated events. WP:ANALYSIS, however, tells us that "Articles may make an analytic or evaluative claim only if that has been published by a reliable secondary source." Joseph (and anyone else interested), would you care to discuss this? –Chase (talk / contribs) 21:25, 11 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Concur with Joseph; unverified speculation doesn't belong, no matter how reliable the sources are. Snuggums (talk / edits) 22:21, 11 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not even when the sources refer to lyrics and evaluate them? Critical analysis and commentary that does not involve the creator of the work is permitted for books, films, etc.; songs should be no exception. –Chase (talk / contribs) 22:26, 11 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not even then. I would only include this type of thing for songs if the singer(s) and/or songwriter(s) themselves confirm it. If on the other hand they specifically deny a song is about something, their response could be worth mentioning. Snuggums (talk / edits) 22:39, 11 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The Perry information should be included as long as we attribute it as an interpretation or however else we classify it. Calidum T|C 02:50, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

WP:SPECULATION refers specifically to speculating on future events. The 'speculating' regarding Katy Perry is valid providing we use reliable sources, of which there are plenty. Zarcadia (talk) 20:00, 19 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The problem with including this isn't so much reliability of sources as it is unverified presumptions. Wikipedia is not supposed to be a gossip site, and adding such presumptions can come off as gossipy. If however someone involved with song creation comments on such presumptions—whether it is confirmation or denial—then perhaps their word could be included. Snuggums (talk / edits) 23:09, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

But the Katy Perry speculations come from analysis of the song by critics at reputed publications. It's why we include, for example, reported parallels between Let It Go (Disney song) and the gay community. If noted critics discuss a work and analyze its lyrics/composition, that lends to its notability and should be included. It's not like we're citing the National Enquirer or Tiger Beat's sensationalized drama headlines. –Chase (talk / contribs) 00:28, 15 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Clearly the information is notable and easily verified. It should certainly be in the article. Everyking (talk) 23:19, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

should be mentioned the association of this song to Katy Parry as it has become a pop reference, and widely stated in media, even if not true — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.242.81.170 (talk) 02:32, 13 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Citation Needed in Critical Reception section[edit]

The last sentence of the first paragraph requests a citation for Entertainment Weekly declaring "Bad Blood" as one of the best tracks on the album. The Entertainment Weekly review of 1989, available here lists Bad Blood as one of the best tracks on the album at the end of the article. I would add the citation myself but the article is currently under semi-protected status. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Richestmanintown (talk • contribs) 02:03, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Added. Sorry it took so long, Richestmanintown. Chase (talk | contributions) 01:41, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong key?[edit]

Is the song "Bad Blood" actually in G major or E minor. On musicnotes.com it says that the song is in G major. If the song is actually in E minor, change the key. Ssjhowarthisawesome (talk) 21:34, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Reviews[edit]

Yes, we have several reviews cited. We do not, however, have reliable sources that say reviews have been mixed, mixed to negative, negative or anything else. Instead, this is synthesis: combining material from multiple sources to say something that none of the sources say directly. The article has been edited numerous times to change the particular synthesis.

The solution is simple. Rather than combining sources to come up with a synthetic statement, let the sources speak for themselves. Quote individual sources. Comments? - SummerPhD^v2.0 01:45, 18 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Tree Critter (talk · contribs) The original version of "Bad Blood" is also a single, hence it impacted Italian airplay. infsai (talkie? UwU) 18:39, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]