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Making the article impartial[edit]

Added this about Azeem Rafiq because I believe we should be impartial and explain all the evident that we have and not have the article one sided 'A leaked report also states that if Rafiq was still at the club, he would face disciplinary action for using the phrase 'Zimbo from Zimbabwe' when referring to a player of Zimbabwean heritage.' — Preceding unsigned comment added by AccurateJournalist (talk • contribs) 19:19, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, AccurateJournalist, for your interest in this article. I note that you reinstated your edit before beinging it for discussion here. Typically, the cycle of edits on Wikipedia goes bold, revert discuss: be bold in making an edit which you believe improves Wikipedia; it may be reverted, and if so a dialogue should be set up to reach a consensus on content before it is re-added. I suggest that you revert your edit while it is under discussion.
Your edit was made with the edit summary Added in his hipocriticism. It would therefore appear that your edit is intended to attack Rafiq and breaches neutrality.
As to the content of the edit yourself, it is indeed supported by the story from ESPNcricinfo that you included as a reference. However it is missing important context from the subsequent paragraph in George Dobell's reporting. For ease of reference it reads:

The revelation, which comes days after Yorkshire announced that none of their players, coaches or executives would face disciplinary action as a result of the investigation, may increase doubts over the process and the report that has produced. In particular, equating the terms 'P**i', which is a long-established derogatory term with a history of racist usage, and 'Zimbo', which is generally held to be an abbreviation akin to Aussie or Kiwi without pejorative association, is likely to raise eyebrows.

What we therefore have was cherry-picking of information to make a point, again breaching Wikipedia's guidelines on neutral point of view. Richard Nevell (talk) 20:04, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I will revert edit now. I will look at how I can incorporate the other aspects of the article in too, so that all the information is there.

Thank you for being so supportive. AccurateJournalist (talk) 20:09, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Given the huge amounts of coverage the case is getting in the press and the fall out it's leading to, this is clearly a massively significant aspect of the chap's career - let alone its impact on YCCC - and needs to be, I'm afraid, a major emphasis in the article. Usually I would be concerned about NOTNEWS and so on, but the amount of coverage and its obvious wider impact suggests this is massively notable. Blue Square Thing (talk) 19:31, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Def. agree with this. The coverage and fallout would support a standalone article iMO. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 20:00, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I was wondering the same thing. I'm having a go at the article now - it's all a bit oddly written and the world seems to end in 2010 or so, so I'll aim to get the factual cricket stuff done first. When I take the major edit tag off I'm done for the evening I should think, but will make this a priority for getting to by the end of the weekend. Blue Square Thing (talk) 20:25, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Great stuff. It's obviously bigger than some historical tweets, and if a bit of sandpaper can generate an article, surely this can too. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 20:32, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Well I'm done for this evening, and there are probably 27 stupid typing errors in there, but I need to go and watch Taskmaster before my brain dies. I will pick it up again tomorrow and have just got a paragraph on the racist stuff for now which I think at least summarises it vaguely. Blue Square Thing (talk) 21:48, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I would have just left the snooker balls in their original place and get Greg to kneel, so his eye-line is at the same height! And for some reason, I have a urge to panic-buy some snakes in a can now. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 11:39, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
In the interest of fairness, it must be noted that Azeem Rafiq was alledged to have made racially insensitive posts/jokes about Africans and skin colour. These posts have not been deleted from Instagram but the content of these posts are available at the following link

https://www.news18.com/cricketnext/news/azeem-rafiqs-old-instagram-post-90-of-our-relatives-wouldve-been-african-emerges-amidst-yorkshire-racism-scandal-4107242.html. I hope we can add this to the wikipedia page as well [1] Rgmathew (talk) 13:02, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://www.news18.com/cricketnext/news/azeem-rafiqs-old-instagram-post-90-of-our-relatives-wouldve-been-african-emerges-amidst-yorkshire-racism-scandal-4107242.html

Gaps in the timeline[edit]

The article gives Rafiq as playing for YCCC from age 17 to 23, and then from age 25 to 27 (and with a spell at Derbyshire).

As he's now 30, I think a sentence describing what he has done since leaving YCCC for the second time, and a bit more than a sentence describing what he did after leaving YCCC for the first time, until he returned. Did he leave voluntarily or was he sacked? Why did he go back? Why did YCCC ask him back? Does he still play? If not, why not? If so, where?

He's only 30; spinner/batsmen usually play well into their 30s, so these gaps are mystifying. As I write, his case is back in the headlines, which is why I looked this page up. Nick Barnett (talk) 19:21, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • I've filled the basic timeline. I'm sure there's more detail that can be gotten, but felt that the basics were more important to get right first. Obvs I'll see what else we can add Blue Square Thing (talk) 21:45, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Antisemitic tweets[edit]

Where is his racist antisemitic tweets detailed? 82.8.169.36 (talk) 23:17, 15 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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