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CSD Nomination[edit]

This article has been red linked for creation on several pages for some time. See Islam in the United States. In any case its notability as the successor organization to the Nation of Islam should be obvious. Paul B (talk) 12:45, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Although "obvious" isn't generally a reason to keep an article, a search of Google News archive provides enough to determine notability is there. However, the article needs help. although the articles listed in the search I provided are not viewable for free, the snippets available do paint a different story than "successor organization" - more like cousin or sister organization. I don't think Nation of Islam has gone away.  Frank  |  talk  13:09, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It was in fact the successor of the original NoI. The modern NoI is a break away group from the ASM, or rather the 'World Community of Islam in the West' as it was called at the time. Paul B (talk) 13:30, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I interpreted incorrectly and out of semi-ignorance; I was unaware that the current Nation of Islam is a resurgence of the original but not exactly directly descended. Interesting history. Certainly notable.  Frank  |  talk  13:36, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Part of the NOI or separate?[edit]

The article is unclear as to whether the ASoM is separate from the Nation of Islam or merely a different name for the same. The Lead of the Warith Deen Mohammed article exhibits the same problem. That section says that Louis Farrakhan revived the name Nation of Islam for his organization in 1981, but this article speaks of the ASoM as an organization that still exists, and as a "descendant" of it. Can this be clarified in the article? Nightscream (talk) 05:00, 23 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I honestly don't know what is unclear about it. The history is described in the thread above. The ASM is the direct descendent of the originial NOI. It changed its name and its ideology. The modern NOI is an offshoot that recreated the original beliefs. The situation is similar to the historical reationship between the Official IRA and the Provisional IRA. Paul B (talk) 09:02, 23 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Having just re-read it, I agree that the article is now rather confusing. User:DinajGao removed all the subsections and added sentences in a higgledy-piggledy way that made the text very difficult to read and also repetitive. I'm reverting to an earlier version which was much less messy. Any useful additions ca be re-added later, but I don't have time now.Paul B (talk) 09:09, 23 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

External links[edit]

Most of these links are obviously promotional, they have hardly or nothing to do with this subject. One should clean them up. Bladesmulti (talk) 17:00, 28 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Removing unsourced and misleading edit from the lead[edit]

  • I removed the following unsourced and misleading edit from the lead: "The organization disbanded shortly after Mohammed retired in 2003."
  • This was after I read the following in a New York Times article: "In 1976, Imam Mohammed dropped the Nation of Islam name in favor of the World Community of al-Islam in the West; that was also the year he adopted the title of imam.Two years later, he changed the name of his organization to the American Muslim Mission. Later, he encouraged each mosque to be independent under the leadership of the Muslim American Society, or the Ministry of W. Deen Mohammed."

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The unsourced edit suggests that the organization founded by Wallace (Warith) came to an end in 2003, but all that seems to have happened was that it became completely decentralized. Soham321 (talk) 21:40, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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