Talk:Alma Deutscher

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Notability[edit]

The notability of this article has been questioned. It appears to me that with the huge press coverage of Alma Deutscher in recent weeks, coupled with TV interviews on several major networks and widespread access to her videos on YouTube, this person is notable enough. Searching for "Alma Deutscher" (in quotes) on Google provides 169,000 results. There is a call for "secondary sources". I thought newspapers and television stations were considered to be secondary sources. If this is not the case, then perhaps I could have a more detailed explanation of what is meant. If it is indeed considered that the article does not fit Wikipedia's notability criteria, I would be happy to call for its deletion. --Ipigott (talk) 10:33, 24 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I fully concur that the subject of this article meets Wikipedia's notability criteria. Cgingold (talk) 12:16, 24 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

And that's even without her role at age three in her father's sky-is-blue experiment. Vaughan Pratt (talk) 18:05, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

References[edit]

After correcting the "Intermezzo with Arik" reference, [37] {it led to the The Ellen DeGeneres Show} I noticed that "a form of linear guide for the improvisation of a keyboard piece." (following "She also receives lessons in improvisation from Tobias Cramm, a musician based in Switzerland, via Skype, with the pair using the pedagogical method of the eighteenth century Italian, partimenti,[36]" in Section 6 "Education and home life") also includes a link to reference [37]. That appears to be wrong but don't know about the subject to substitute the correct reference. Mcljlm (talk) 01:09, 31 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for correcting that Arik link. Those sections were introduced in a sequence of somewhat careless edits by the single-purpuse account User:Doubledays on 24 December 2015. Did you listen to the whole Arik clip? It's possible that the Tobias Cramm-related claim is mentioned somewhere in it. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 03:51, 31 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, e.g. when Mr Vardi asks her if there are mistakes or she correct mistakes. She answers yes, if she make mistakes and her teacher (Mr Cramm) tells her e.g. something what is possible in the romantic period but was not possible before in the vienna classic period, Eifelochse (talk) 05:10, 1 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Critical reception[edit]

There has to be at least put in that despite all the approval that all musicians try to,widen her interests. Sir Simon Rattle, Anne Sophie Mutter etc. told that it is absolutely necessary to widen her musical interests. Rattle invited her to some Berlin Philarmonic rehearsals to show her some different music, but to to this date Alma Deutscher is very strict about it. She does not like it and so she does not play, compose in these other styles. But this would not be enough in 10 years. But she is only 11. And in all the praising reviews of Cinderella there is always at the end the point that she still has to find her own style of music, that one should be very careful with her, wait and see.

Eifelochse (talk) 05:19, 1 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The text of the Critical Reception section used one sentence to mention Alma's lack of interest in modernist/postmodern aesthetics, and then a paragraph essentially responding to this criticism–– characterizing Modernism as "harsh," Alma's music as "beautiful," and stating that she is playing to audience's taste. It is unfortunate when news media reporting that is banal and uncritical–– given from a perspective and for an audience that is completely disengaged from the genre–– is used to render opinion as fact. 71.175.47.192 (talk) 15:11, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jewish Heritage[edit]

Alma Deustscher's father, Guy Deutscher is Israeli and British, per his wikipedia entry. Shouldn't there be mention of her Jewish heritage in the "background" section of her article? Brianjgolfer (talk) 19:29, 2 July 2019 (UTC)brianjgolfer[reply]

Copyvio[edit]

I propose to start again from the German article to rebuild this notice, since the contributors did not start from this copyvio. --Hérisson grognon (talk) 20:40, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Critics committed to musical modernism"[edit]

I find the usage of the phrase "critics committed to musical modernism" to a problematic description of the critics who take issues with Alma's traditional compositional style. A critic does not have to be "committed to musical modernism" to criticize Alma's music. A very strange phrase which, to me, attempts to minimize the legitimacy of those who criticize her music. Tornbetween57 (talk) 13:06, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Furthermore there is no indication in the article cited that the critic who criticized her style after a performance of her piano concerto was "committed to musical modernism". And those who praise her style and rail against the "ugliness of modern music" often have little musical credentials themselves. Barton Swaim of the Wall Street Journal studied political science and seems to write a lot of articles with a conservative bias on American cultural war issues but before I edited the wording of the article, the phrasing in the "critical reception" section of this article indicated that a love for Alma's music was a mainstream opinion of the Wall Street Journal. Tornbetween57 (talk) 13:13, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]