Talk:Allograph

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forecastle?![edit]

It seems to me that any attempt to make a list of something like "every English spelling of /k/" is doomed to drown and founder in questions of analysis of the phoneme-grapheme alignments in particular words. So let me take the first gulp of seawater by objecting to forecastle. It seems bizarre to group the re with the c here; seemingly much saner is to group the e with the o (oCe to spell a single sound /o/ is unquestionably a common allograph) and to take the r as silent (or for the nonrhotics, lump it in with the o and e). Maybe on thinner ice I'd call this a silent a too, not one that goes with the c.

Is the list here sourced from somewhere with a reason for the analysis reca = /k/? 4pq1injbok (talk) 06:05, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Allograph and homoglyph[edit]

Are they synonymous? Are they used synonymously? Or is it just sloppy use of the words grapheme and glyph interchangeably in English because we don't have letters like ⟨ñ⟩ (one grapheme, two glyphs [unless I've got it reversed yet again].

Would any care to "compare and contrast" (set out similarities and differences), please? 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 16:45, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

walk?[edit]

lk shouldn't be considered an allograph of k. If anything the 'al' are an allograph for /ɔː/ or /ɔ/. The <l> symbolises the lengthening and lowering. Kweca (talk) 21:07, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Phonemic orthography[edit]

@Kweca: The whole section ("Orthography") in which that assertion was made (one of multiple ways to represent the phoneme [k] in English) is uncited WP:original research. Nowhere that I can find easily (OED, Wikitionary) gives the word "allography" as meaning ~~Phonemic orthography~~ Defective script – ways of writing a phoneme. According to the OED, the word allograph means (a) "two or more alternative forms of a grapheme" or (b) (in law) "something written by someone other than the person or persons concerned". Given its lack of supporting evidence and the number of well-founded challenges above (including yours), I have just deleted it. Of course if a wp:reliable source can be produced to support it, that decision can be reversed. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 19:42, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The reason for the correction is that a "phonemic orthography" is one where there is a one-to-one correspondence between phoneme and grapheme. A "defective script" is one where there is a many-to-one (or even a many-to-many) correspondence, which is (I think) what the author of the OR section had in mind. Neither is also known as allography. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 10:14, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]