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“But not Excusively” in lead Not Needed

But not exclusively not needed in lead. It not only looks tacky but it is also stated in the second paragraph that some Black immigrants come to be called AA due to assimilation. Furthermore, it was already concluded that the Black immigrant statement would be placed in the 2nd paragraph. Now someone is coming to state what is clear in the 2nd paragraph back in the first. ??????

The but not exclusively statement in the lead should be taken out.

We have had this discussion for a long time. African American is its own ethnicity and ppl assimilate to it if they are immigrants into the country. Citation: https://ipr.osu.edu/becoming-black-african-immigrant-integration-united-states

“Immigrants from Sub-Saharan Africa constitute the fastest growing group of immigrants in the United States today, yet we know less about their processes of assimilation and integration than other groups of immigrants. Research on black immigrants from the Caribbean suggests that the immigration experience of African immigrants will look quite different from many previous groups of immigrants, largely because assimilation for black immigrants risks exposure to the many forms of discrimination and inequalities faced by native-born black Americans.“

“African- Americans have rightly laid claim to a unique identity” Smithsonian Scholar (see previous thread)

Also see first paragraph at this link: https://scholarworks.umass.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1010&context=cfssr_publishedwork

Even genetics can point it out: “Our results also indicate that the genetic architecture of African Americans is distinct from that of Africans” https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2812948/

Ethnicity points it out by the whole fact it is an ETHNIC GROUP: “Ethnicity is more than skin color or physical characteristics, more than language, song, and dance. It is the embodiment of values, institutions, and patterns of behavior, a composite whole representing a people’s historical experience, aspirations, and world view. Deprive a people of their ethnicity, their culture, and you deprive them of their sense of direction or purpose.”

The government and social studies has even noted how Black immigrants can HIGHLIGHT their own ethnicities to get ahead in some cases, meaning that Black immigrants do in fact have their OWN ETHNICITIES. “Several authors suggest that black immigrants’ ethnicity gives them an advantage over U.S.-born blacks in dealings with whites (Bashi Bobb and Clarke 2001; Foner 1985; Waters 1994). If this holds true, black immigrants may improve their residential outcomes by highlighting their ethnicity to distinguish themselves”

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8713952/

Also see this link on assimilation: https://sociology.princeton.edu/events/black-immigrants-use-african-american-strategy-mobility-through-higher-education

WayMaQueen (talk) 14:14, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

@WayMaQueen: A WP:BLUDGEON is not the best instrument for using in discussions with your fellow editors. Rsk6400 (talk) 15:46, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Wasn’t trying to. You would always send me here constantly whenever I tried to utilize another way and requested I put up citations and links. That’s the only reason I did so. No issues with anyone or any discussions as some are necessary, which is why Talk is utilized as discussion. WayMaQueen (talk) 17:32, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

• We now have similar sentences back-to-back:

  "The term "African American" generally denotes descendants of Africans enslaved in the United States.

  Most African Americans are descendants of enslaved people within the boundaries of the present United States."

  Can we merge into the second sentence with something like

  "The term "African American" generally denotes descendants of Africans enslaved in the United States, and most African Americans are such descendants."

  Could use some more wordsmithing. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:45, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

  I personally feel like it works good as is because the other stresses within the boundaries of present day USA and leads into the next sentence well. WayMaQueen (talk) 18:17, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: Black American Music

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New map

Black Americans (alone) in each US county

Following this discussion, I created this map mostly to replace File:Absenceblacks.png, but also to complement File:Black Americans by county.png. Any input would be appreciated. Thanks. M.Bitton (talk) 02:11, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

North American ?

@Freee Contributor: First: Please read WP:BRD and don't edit war. Then: Why should we call African Americans a "North American" group ? Black Canadians and Afro-Mexicans are not called "African Americans". Then: "North American ethnic group consisting of Americans" sound a bit funny, doesn't it ? Rsk6400 (talk) 12:19, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

I'm not referring to Black Canadians or Afro-Mexicans. I'm referring to the African-Americans who've settled Canada for 2 centuries setting up towns and villages in Canada. Namely, the Black Nova Scotians. If you see the Afrikaners page, you can see they're called Southern Africans because they've lived in Namibia and Botswana for 2 centuries, even though the bulk of their history in Southern Africa has only been in South Africa. Freee Contributor (talk) 12:22, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Would you prefer "North American ethnic group whose ancestors primarily date back to the Colonial United States as slaves or freemen"? Freee Contributor (talk) 12:23, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

No, I think the lead sentence is less confusing as it is now. Rsk6400 (talk) 12:25, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

But African-Americans are a North American ethnic group. Freee Contributor (talk) 12:26, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

There are African Americans in many places. More than 99% are in the United States. It's fine to refer mainly to the vast majority, and mention the few exceptions in some lower-profile places. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 13:23, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

But there have been African-Americans in Canada for centuries. If you look at the Afrikaners page, you can see the vast majority live in South Africa but because they've also lived in Namibia and Botswana for 1-2 centuries, they're called Southern African. Freee Contributor (talk) 14:30, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

For how long have African Americans been living in Sierra Leone or Liberia ? According to African Americans in France, their presences in France started in the 1800s. Rsk6400 (talk) 16:41, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Yes but the ethnic group in question came to be in North America Freee Contributor (talk) 17:30, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

I'm not convinced by your arguments. Rsk6400 (talk) 18:41, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

The fact remains that African-Americans are a North American ethnic group Freee Contributor (talk) 18:57, 12 March 2024 (UTC)