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Archive 1

Contradictory claims

The paragraph under the heading "History" and the subheading "Early settlement" claims: a) "There is little doubt that a Mycenaean megaron stood upon the hill during the late Bronze Age." and b) "However, if there was such a palace, it seems to have been supplanted by later building activity." Now if there is little doubt, why the conditional later on? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sjlain (talk • contribs) 13:53, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

Missing history

There seems to be about a thousand years missing here. Following copyrighted material is from http://www.athensguide.gr/pop/acropolis.html

"The Turks seized the Acropolis in 1394, were driven away by the Venetians but they occupied it again following the Treaty of 1458. Two years later, flanked by minarets, the Parthenon was converted into a mosque, while the Erectheum became the harem (the part of a Mohammedan house where the women live) of the Turkish Commander.

"In 1640, the explosion of a storeroom of gun power within the Propylea caused the destruction of the major part of the building. In 1686 the Turks destroyed the temple of Athena Nike in order to build a rampart of their defence against the Venetians who desieged the Acropolis. During this siege, a Venetian cannon-ball blew up the Parthenon which was converted into a powder magazine.

"In 1803, Lord Elgin carried away the sculptures of the Parthenon pediments as well as one of the Erechtheum Korai and numerous other antipuities; they are now in the British museum.

"At the beginning of the Greek Revolution, in 1821, Odysseus Androutsos, after one year’s siege, captured the Acropolis. But in 1827 it fell back into the hands of the Turks, who held it till 1833. Since that day the Acropolis “this high site of Greek Art”, is at lasta entrusted to the care of a once more free Greece. Ortolan88 22:39 Jul 29, 2002 (PDT)

Work needed

A whole lot of work is needed on the description of all the temples on the top and their relationship. Added some photos, and may make it back to put some text, sometime. Feel free to add text. Glenlarson 01:51, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I'm using Firefox and it does not render well at all right now. Quite messy. -Joshuapaquin 03:05, August 4, 2005 (UTC)

Plural

What is the plural form of acropolis? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.209.64.80 (talk) 01:07, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism

This page seems to get hit with a heck of a lot of vandalism. Is there any particular reason why? -Joshuapaquin 16:44, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Good question. No sources, either. -Rich — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.19.188.93 (talk) 04:00, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

- Probably because many people have been there, are planning to go there, or are studying it in school, which would heighten the article's visitation beyond most Wikipedia entries. Stevenmitchell (talk) 15:27, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

The Church? Monotheists? Those who don't believe in the gods? Or people who just plain hate Athens? -Elysium —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.118.180.219 (talk) 08:37, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

A/An

There's a picture with this underneath "The Acropolis and the Propylaea in a 1846 painting by Leo von Klenze." Should that be a 1846 or an 1846??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.226.1.229 (talk) 21:28, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Early human occupation - The Bronze Age

As much as I like Athens, why is there an entirely speculative article on occupation of the Acropolis during the Bronze Age. If there is no archaeological, textual or epigraphical evidence this entire entry is pure conjecture by the Wikipedian author (85.76.123.252, July 17,2005). This section should include stronger language denoting its speculative content and would have to provide a source pertaining to the supposed speculation, in order to remotely qualify it as viable encyclopaedic content - otherwise it is simply speculative opinion by the author. Stevenmitchell (talk) 14:10, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

The existence of Cyclopean walls is proof enough. It is the most characteristic attribute of all major Late Helladic (Late Bronze Age) sites in Greece. There is also ample ceramic evidence, a well excavated mycenean underground fountain, several excavated deposits etc. etc. etc. But you are right on the sources issue... some inline citations wouldn't harm anybody. I' ll see what I can do--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 20:35, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

How is it that in the BA chapter there is little doubt, but in the dark age chapter there is no conclusive evidence for a palace? Internal inconsistencies are inconsistent. --195.97.38.145 (talk) 10:44, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

This section seems to have been improved substantially but there is a contradiction that continues to persist. The last portion reads "There is no conclusive evidence for the existence of a Mycenean palace on top of the Athenian Acropolis. However, if there was such a palace, it seems to have been supplanted by later building activity." An earlier section reads: "There is little doubt that a Mycenaean megaron palace stood upon the hill during the late Bronze Age. Nothing of this megaron survives except, probably, a single limestone column-base and pieces of several sandstone steps."

To resolve the inconsistency I am going to remove the lines disputing the existence of a Mycenaean palace since they lack citation, and directly conflict with cited information provided earlier in the section. Jack f t (talk) 05:48, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Bad link?

The link under the "Cultural Significance" header refering to the Panathenaia festival does not link directly to the festival, but to a game like the Olympic games that are a part of the festival. Should we fix this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.60.76.184 (talk) 19:18, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Todays featured photo "Parthenon from south" should be included in the article, becouse it's beautiful and relevant.

The headline says it all. Andy McDandy (talk) 10:52, 11 March 2008 (UTC) Huzzah the fork club attacked —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.160.148.75 (talk) 20:55, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm not Greek, but this one comes the second after Giza's pyramids, third beeing Colosseum of Rome and 4th Azteck's pyramid, 5th great wall, 6th Petra, 7th Taj Mahal —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.151.173.242 (talk) 01:44, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

"Acropoleis" is a pedantic plural

Although this is an article about a Greek site, the article is written in English and should be understandable to an international audience. The Wikipedia Manual of Style holds that "when a foreign word has been assimilated into English" it "takes an s or es plural, not its original plural". The word "acropolis" most certainly has been assimilated into English and, therefore, should have a plural form according to regular English rules of grammar.

If we were writing in Greek (in Romanized script), we'd use "acropoleis" as the plural. But we're not writing in English, nor are we writing for an audience who can generally be expected to recognize plurals made according to Greek grammatical rules. Furthermore, if we want to be pedants, why stop at Greek plurals. Why not also use Greek case rules and decline nouns according to whether they're nominative, accusative, genitive, or dative? And why stop at Greek? Why not also follow grammatical rules of Arabic for Arabic plurals, Turkish for Turkish plurals, Russian for Russian masculine plural datives, Latin rules for plural gerundives, Sanskrit rules for Sanskrit dual instrumentals? Well you get the picture. The reason we shouldn't do this is that such adherence to the grammatical rules of the language from which a word is borrowed would render articles difficult, if not impossible, to understand. Interlingua 14:48, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

The Acropolis Restoration Project

Here are just a few random questions I thought about while reading about the restoration project on the Acropolis. Does anyone know of the current status of the Acropolis Restoration Project?

How much is the restoration going to cost? Who is funding the project? Government?

Would you consider the Acropolis as a historical site or perhaps a new breed of a museum? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mgeurts (talk • contribs) 04:52, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Need for improvement

Acropolis of Athens is one of the most popular articles on Wikipedia, attracting over 40,000 page views per month. But it still only has start status. There is obviously an urgent need to undertake improvements. I see that the Spanish es:Acrópolis de Atenas is very well developed and could perhaps be used as a basis for improvement. I also see that the closely related Parthenon once had FA status in the EN Wikipedia (although it lost it again in 2007). I like the way the Spanish article includes summaries of the main articles on the different parts of the site. I suggest it would be a good idea to follow the same approach in English. Although I am interested in architecture, I am by no means an expert on classical sites. Over the next few weeks I will try to do some work on the article myself but would appreciate help and/or suggestions from other editors. I would also appreciate guidance on which on-line sources might be used as reliable references. --Ipigott (talk) 07:54, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Agree that the Spanish language article seems like a good model for lay-out. I definitely think there should be paragraphs on each of the 21 major archaeological remains. This topic is not my area of expertise so I'm not able to suggest resources but I'd assume there should be several given the subject matter. --Rosiestep (talk) 17:00, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

I have now added inline refs throughout and added a few improvements. Apart from a little help with the biography, I have unfortunately not had any assistance.--Ipigott (talk) 20:49, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

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