Talk:3rd Shock Army

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Page move[edit]

There is no article called Third Shock Army (or 3rd Shock Army) so is there any reason this article should not be moved to that name.--Philip Baird Shearer (talk) 19:07, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It could be moved to '3rd Shock Army,' but in line with Russian use, should keep '3rd' rather than 'Third'. Buckshot06 (talk) 21:33, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I only added (Soviet Union) because that is the national identification convention in the MilHist Project. If any of the Shock Armies are reconstituted under the Ukrainian Government, then properly speaking they would need to be named 1st Shock Army (Ukraine) IMHO though I think Buckshot06 would disagree.--mrg3105 mrg3105 22:57, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I do not think that disambiguation for a hypothetical unit that might exist one day is necessary. The reason why Third should be considered is because on Wikipedia Army numbers are usually given in letters eg Third Army --Philip Baird Shearer (talk) 09:56, 28 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion elsewhere and looking in the Style guide suggests historical use for a given country. In the case of Soviet Union this is using Arabic numbers rather then spelled out--mrg3105 mrg3105 10:11, 28 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, that should be the case; some countries are simply different in their usage than others. So long as the redirects and links from disambiguation pages are in place, this shouldn't matter for the average reader.

I think Philip is correct about the disambiguator, though; "Shock Army" is sufficiently unique that there's no real need to preemptively disambiguate it. Kirill 13:14, 28 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Structure change[edit]

Just curious why the article structure was destroyed?--mrg3105 mrg3105 If you're not taking any flack, you're not over the target. 08:58, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In popular culture[edit]

The 3rd Shock Army appears in the Treyarch-published video game "Call of Duty: World At War;" during Soviet campaign levels, the player assumes the role of a fictional Private Dimitri Petrenko, who is eventually reassigned from a rifle company to the 3rd Shock, and participates in the taking of Berlin. Petrenko plants the 3rd Shock's battle standard atop the captured Reichstag building at the game's conclusion. Atypicaloracle (talk) 05:58, 16 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Numbers of survivors[edit]

Hi,

are there any numbers about size of the Army, casualties and maybe how many Soviets were fighting from the start until Berlin and survived?! I think the Army got "reinforced" at least 3 times after Demyansk, before Berlin and the other battles. Greetings Kilon22 (talk) 23:24, 21 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]