Talk:3 Esdras

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This is the same thing as 1 Esdras, the numbering system for Ezra/Esdras changed over time. Clinkophonist 17:40, 2 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

203.32.87.174 08:12, 6 October 2006 (UTC) It didn't make much sense to me that the 1 Esdras Article was according to the Septuagint, 2 Esdras was according to the Protestants, 3 Esdras & 4 Esdras was according to Jerome. So I organized them somewhat according to who had the oldest claim to the name (except Jerome has to cede 3 Esdras to the LXX name of 1 Esdras), leaving 3 Esdras to the Russians. And of course it's all sorted out in the Esdras article. Not everyone is going to be pleased but at least it's more consistent now, even if a bit Orthodox centric.[reply]

Also, since Russian Orthodoxy considers it canonical, it seems they should get priorit of the name.

the most common usage in English, per Wikipedia rules, i.e. 2 Esdras 75.0.2.200 02:12, 7 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

203.32.87.174 02:37, 7 October 2006 (UTC) There seems to be some confusion with some people about what I did with 3 Esdras. Before 24 hours ago there was NO content under 3 Esdras, it just redirected to 1 Esdras. This was clearly insufficient since not everybody agrees on what 3 Esdras is. So I thought it would be a good idea that 3 Esdras referred to the Slavonic 3 Esdras which protestants call 2 Esdras, and the 2 Esdras article was a disambiguator. This idea met with resistance. Therefore 2 Esdras was reinstated to the Protestant usage with a few additions, and therefore my 3 Esdras edits WHICH WERE ALL MINE I reversed, and made it a disambiguator to 1 and 2 Esdras, since it is pointless to have two articles exactly the same.[reply]

Now somebody has come along and reinstated my edits of the last 24 hours. That doesn't make any sense. I made the changes, I'm reversing the changes. All changes in 3 Esdras were put into 2 Esdras.

203.32.87.174 12:14, 7 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Of course we need disambiguation. Why in heck would you arrogantly assume that if you type in "3 Esdras" you are really looking for 2 Esdras? Let the reader decide what they want to see. The last editor has outsmarted even himself, because 3 Esdras used to point at 1 Esdras, now he pointed it at 2 Esdras. He's preven the need for disambiguation by his own actions.

Irritating![edit]

Now, here I wanted to read about 3 Esdras — the apocryphon that is regarded by the Orthodoxes and the Syrians as a canon — but was instead redirected to 1 Esdras! This kind of phenomenon is repeating itself with people having strong opinions with weak factual base, as is very common for religious topics, where blatantly bad cultures have been fostered for centuries. 3 Esdras is an apocryphal version of 1 Esdras based on the Greek language — it is in no way the same as 1 Esdras just because it is similar. 4 Esdras is calling itself "second book of the prophet Ezra" but it is some apocalyptic stuff dissimilar from 1 and 3. "2 Esdras" is Nehemia, by the way. I once had a very similar problem when looking up Nasoreans (Mandeans), that redirected me to Nazoreans (early Christians). This bad redirect regime practically work to obfuscate topics, rather than clarify them. Rursus dixit. (^mbork³!) 08:52, 12 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]