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On 17 September 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved to April 2006 Tel Aviv bombing. The result of the discussion was not moved.

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Okay we see two things about Hamas here and one from Israel, what about the PA? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.60.131.249 (talk) 03:28, 30 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 17 September 2023[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Merge discussion can occur separately. (closed by non-admin page mover) estar8806 (talk) ★ 23:20, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

2nd Rosh Ha'ir restaurant bombing → April 2006 Tel Aviv bombing – Per WP:NCE and WP:NPOV (the source titles say 'Tel Aviv' + 'bomber' etc.), and per the disambiguation page 2006 Tel Aviv bombing. Iskandar323 (talk) 09:21, 17 September 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. Natg 19 (talk) 23:43, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - Repeating same points made in similar talk page proposal at 1st Rosh Ha'ir restaurant bombing, the disambiguation page is a remnant from the inaccurate generation of the initial article in which the author failed to note there was more than one suicide bombing in Tel Aviv that year. Does not support re-naming.

Most sources cited point out explicitly that there were two bombings in the same location in the same year, which is profoundly unique on its own merits and worthy of mention. Also must note that in popular reference, as well as on parent article, attacks are routinely named by location/geography as specifically as a store, intersection, bus station, restaurant, cafe, disco, etc. It’s actually rather rare to see a suicide attack named by city alone.

Understand the desire to give prominence to the city significance of the attacks, but I believe it undercuts the far more relevant notability that the same location was targeted by the same organization(s) twice in one year.

Also, thank you for bringing this to the talk page for discussion. Mistamystery (talk) 14:53, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The basic requirements of WP:NCE are who, where, what, but the current title this page has been moved to does not give the 'when' (2nd means nothing without context), and the 'where' is unnatural and unrecognisable per WP:CRITERIA: an obscure restaurant name not mentioned in most sources is not only not a useful page title element, but—going unmentioned in most sources—is not an example of an NPOV 'where'. Iskandar323 (talk) 16:54, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Merge the two articles to Rosh Ha'ir restaurant bombings. These are not unconnected topics. BD2412 T 05:28, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This would also be a means of making it less of a muddle. Iskandar323 (talk) 19:32, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose (in response to revised merge proposal) In spite of there being two bombings in the same location, there is not sufficient background information to imply that these are a single directed event in two parts, as a merged page would inherently imply. In the absence of stated intent by the directing parties, these are two semi-independent events whose pages should remain as such. Mistamystery (talk) 18:08, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Mistamystery: You shouldn't have two bolded vote responses that are hard to distinguish. Please correct or clarify. Iskandar323 (talk) 19:31, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Doing so now. Ty. Mistamystery (talk) 20:05, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.