Talk:2022 Danish general election

Does the "Moderates" party of Lars Lokke Rasmussen....

belongs to the red or blue block of danish politics? 93.206.55.170 (talk) 21:24, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Both DR and TV2, the country's two major broadcasting networks, treat the party as part of neither of the two blocs. Gust Justice (talk) 15:05, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Why is the Danish election wiki page different from other wiki election pages?

Take the Swedish page as a example: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Swedish_general_election Djallese (talk) 18:56, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

To clarify, it's the info box I'm wondering about. Djallese (talk) 18:59, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

The infobox used here is typically used for countries where more than nine parties win seats in parliament. Number 57 19:10, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

See 2021 Norwegian parliamentary election, 2021 Dutch general election, 2019 Belgian federal election, 2018 Luxembourg general election, 2019 Swiss federal election, etc. Gust Justice (talk) 00:19, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Okay. Makes sense. Thank you. Djallese (talk) 14:18, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Election results seems odd

Why does the Social Democratic party ends up with 50 seats when they should have gotten 49 seats instead? Also the red block only got roughly 48 percent of the vote, the blue block plus Moderates 50.5 percent. 80.131.63.73 (talk) 00:01, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

They won more constituency seats than they are entitled to seats overall. This is the cause of all of the confusion regarding the result. Gust Justice (talk) 00:56, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Maps in main article or infobox

The article has a map (actually a toggle between 3 maps) showing results by region in the infobox. I moved this into the main article and Gust Justice reverted a while later. (Since then, a map just for the Faroe Islands has also been added to the main article.) There has been a recent trend to include such maps in infoboxes. In some recent discussions on other election articles, we've agreed to move them into the main body of articles. I like the maps, I certainly want to keep them. However, we should follow the Manual of Style (WP:MOS).

MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE says: "When considering any aspect of infobox design, keep in mind the purpose of an infobox: to summarize (and not supplant) key facts that appear in the article (an article should remain complete with its summary infobox ignored, with exceptions noted below). The less information it contains, the more effectively it serves that purpose". There are thus 2 key principles here. First, infoboxes should be short. We've already got a reasonably sized infobox without the maps. The maps make it pretty big. Second, infoboxes summarise the article text. We're not meant to have anything in the infobox that isn't in the article. Having these maps breaks that rule.

In summary, the maps are great. Let them shine in the article text, but let's avoid a bloated infobox and stick to the MOS:INFOBOX rules. I propose moving the maps out of the infobox and into the Results section. Bondegezou (talk) 13:37, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

I'm quite happy with the maps in the infobox. Where have these discussions taken place, as I haven't seen any on my watchlist (although I don't have elections for the UK on my watchlist). Number 57 13:50, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

I'll see if I can find some older discussions. I note that you're happy with the maps in the infobox, but what about MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE's rule that "an article should remain complete with its summary infobox ignored"? Having the maps in the infobox breaks that. Bondegezou (talk) 13:53, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

There's plenty of articles on people that have a picture of the person in the infobox, but not in the body of the article. Including a particular map only in the infobox does not violate the spirit of INFOBOXPURPOSE. Elli (talk | contribs) 14:18, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

I would suggest that a picture is not the same as a depiction of detailed results. Bondegezou (talk) 14:26, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

INFOBOXPURPOSE is not a strict rule that we must follow, though. Yeah, these aren't exactly the same, but they are analogous situations. Would removing the map from the infobox and locating it further down in the article be an improvement? No. Most of our readers want a map of the results and making that easily accessible to them is a good thing. Would duplicating the image in the results section be an improvement? Generally, also no. Elli (talk | contribs) 14:35, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

We should be thinking about readers and, for example, making sure Results sections lead with the most important results. When thinking about readers, I think it's useful to consider how readers are looking at Wikipedia. I generally edit the desktop version, but most readers are on mobile devices. On the Wikipedia mobile app (which isn't how all mobile users read Wikipedia, of course), the infobox is default not expanded (ditto all tables), whereas figures in the article body are shown. On the app, putting something in the infobox is making it more hidden.

Generally, I think the numeric results and the outcome in terms of who forms the government are the most important issues, and we highlight these in the lead and the infobox. Maps of voting results are interesting, but I don't see them as being as much of a priority. Bondegezou (talk) 14:47, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

I browse often on mobile. The map being located far down in the results section is far less visible than being located at the top of the article in an infobox where most readers expect to see it (and therefore would open it, if they wanted to see the map). Elli (talk | contribs) 14:54, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

There was this discussion before at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Elections_and_Referendums/Archive_21#Results_overkill that was on a broader but somewhat overlapping topic. Bondegezou (talk) 13:57, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

I think a lot of users do use the election maps to get a summary of how an election turned out. I agree that it can become bloated, and 3 maps is probably approaching the limit in how many there should be in the infobox. However entirely removing ALL maps from it seems unwarranted. Gust Justice (talk) 15:09, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

I've also started a discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Elections_and_Referendums#Bloated_infoboxes:_moving_maps_into_articles on more general but related issues. As I said there, I'm not suggesting necessarily removing all maps from election article infoboxes, but I think the number of maps should be between 0 and 1, not 3! Also, there's no point having these detailed maps in an infobox that are then unreadable because they're in an infobox. Detailed maps have to be in the article body, so that they can be at a default size where you can actually see what's going on. Bondegezou (talk) 16:30, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Popular votes winner is the blue bloc plus Moderates

The red bloc only manages to obtain 48 percent of the vote, blue and M 50.5 percent with 1.5 percent for other, minor parties combined.

The same type of people who whine about Hillary Clinton being the national popular vote winner in 2016 are failing to mention such fact when the shoe is on the other foot. The wiki article regarding the simoustanly held election in Israel mentions the fact that the parties opposing Netanyahu got more votes than his party and sopportive allies and that he only won because of two leftist parties missing the threshold.

But despite this similarity between these two elections the corresponding articles on wiki are framed in different ways, friendly to the left. 93.206.52.46 (talk) 22:39, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Why do you assume M is affiliated with the blue bloc? The whole point of setting up M was to break up the blocs.

The overall totals (including Faroes and Greenland) is 49.01% for the left, 41.77% for the right and 9.22% for the centre (M and Naleraq). Number 57 22:51, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

There is nothing stopping the article from mentioning this, as long as this is supported by Reliable Sources. This article covers the topic. Gust Justice (talk) 01:27, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Draft for Frederiksen II Cabinet

I have created a draft page for Frederiksen II Cabinet, seeing as that is likely to be formed. Gust Justice (talk) 22:32, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

"Current seats"

"Current seats" is now out of date in many of the tables. It presumably means seats shortly before the election. 2A00:23C6:148A:9B01:F842:1E65:36E3:37F6 (talk) 13:57, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Images

Is it possible to add pictures of all party leaders in the infobox like it is the case in the article about the 2022 Swedish general election?--Marginataen (talk) 16:43, 28 December 2022 (UTC) Clarification: Only the Danish leaders. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marginataen (talk • contribs) 16:44, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

See this discussion above. Vacant0 (talk) 16:55, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

New map to info box

I would like to establish consensus about adding the file Folketingsvalget 2022 - Opstillingskredse (Blokke).svg to the info box as the first map displayed. In the article 2022 Swedish general election the first map shown is a map showing the performance of coalitions (blocs) and not individual parties. I think the same should be the case here and give a much more nuanced impression.--Marginataen (talk) 15:43, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Yeah I have considered this too for elections from 1998 onwards (haven't made the maps for that yet). Simply showing the largest party in each polling area or nomination district has its limits when the splintering between political parties is this large and when one party (but not necessarily one bloc) is twice as large as all of the other ones. Gust Justice (talk) 09:55, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

(For reference I have done this now) Gust Justice (talk) 18:12, 3 June 2023 (UTC)