Talk:2017 pro-jallikattu protests/Archive 1

Archive 1

Protection Required

I suggest protecting this page. The neutrality of the article is disputed in previous edits. Thank you Aadhitharajan^talk 13:49, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

@Aadhitharajan: I reverted some good-faith, but still bad, edits to this page earlier, so I have it on my watch list. You should know that this is not the correct place to ask for page protection. That would be WP:RPP. Psiĥedelisto (talk) 14:04, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

@Psiĥedelisto: Thank you for response. Aadhitharajan^talk 14:08, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

@Aadhitharajan: Heads up: I rewrote the lead and "legal situation" version of the article to make it more encyclopedic and help it approach a WP:NPOV. I hope you are not offended, but I made it understandable by someone not familiar with the legal process in India. I had difficulty understanding your version, so I expanded it for the benefit of readers of the English Wikipedia. Please let me know if you have any concerns. Psiĥedelisto (talk) 18:08, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

P.S. It seems that CambridgeBayWeather has protected the article from the attack of the WP:MEATPUPPETs. It's hard to keep the article at any level of quality when many users unfamiliar with Wikipedia policies are attempting to edit at once. Thank you!

@Psiĥedelisto: I think it was better now. This article can get more clarity when the protests are over. The user Saffron White Green is still vandalizing the article. Aadhitharajan^talk 18:19, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

That is true Aadhitharajan, after all, there is no deadline! But most people will want to read about the protests while they are happening, we owe it to our readers to try to have some form of quality while they are happening, even if the article will be much better after all is said and done. Psiĥedelisto (talk) 18:22, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Good night friends (and keep an eye on things)

Vatasura Aadhitharajan Good night friends, I am Filipino so it's time for bed for me as it is 2:30AM. Please keep an eye on Saffron White Green - if he continues to ignore edit summaries asking him to seek consensus here at talk page, and continues to add unsourced statements, please make a report to WP:AIV. Remember to always assume good faith, but it is hard to assume such when the user won't talk to us. Also, please keep an eye on the article in general. This is a very charged topic both for and against - both the animal rights people and the Tamil Nadu "bull embracing" supporters are going to try to get unsourced statements in under the radar. As an aside, this is what I love about Wikipedia - a protest like this would barely be covered at all in my local media, but by getting sucked into this article I do a lot of research and learn about a big controversy I had no idea existed. Take care all! Psiĥedelisto (talk) 18:33, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

@Psiĥedelisto: Good night friend. Go and sleep well. 2AM is too late. Its 12.10AM Here. I have given warning to safron white green on his wall. Aadhitharajan^talk 18:42, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

@Psiĥedelisto: Good night friend and thanks for your interest in Jallikattu:) As I see, "safron white green" vandalising not only page 2017 Jallikattu protests but Seeman (politician) too. I hope the warning by Aadhitharajan helps. Vatasura (talk) 20:44, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 January 2017

its not taming its bull embracing 125.22.193.148 (talk) 06:23, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 06:58, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Demand Section

The main demand is for removal of Bull from Preforming Animal act by amending PCA Act and banning the PETA. And all other demand like boycot of Coke etc are just spin offs. And Beef ban has nothing to do with the protest neither the protesters demand it. The protest is more of socio-eco-cultural protection with rationality than being sacrosanct to the cow. Tamils Consider cow as wealth and respect. But having said that they do not support beef ban nor call for closure of slaughterer house. Considerable Tamils do eat beef and are not in favor of beef ban. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2009prasanth (talk • contribs) 05:38, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

The demand to "Prohibit all Organisations and Educational Institutions in Tamil Nadu from diverting their foreign funds for proselytizing mission, mass mobilization and anti-national activities." should be removed as there is no such slogans in the protest. It is misleading. Otherwise provide reference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ashok 893 (talk • contribs) 10:42, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Supporters

Add actor Ragava Lawrence who did lot for protestors in marina Anishkumar srak (talk) 11:15, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Add actor Ragava Lawrence who did lot for protestors in marina — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.178.236.213 (talk) 11:29, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Comment from Mdrazvi

Prohibit all Organisations and Educational Institutions in Tamil Nadu from diverting their foreign funds for proselytizing mission, mass mobilization and anti-national activities.

There was no such demands. some Anti Jallikattu supporters are trying deviate protesters to another topic — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mdrazvi (talk • contribs) 12:14, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

supporters list name inclusion

hi..

pls add Mr. Ragava lawrence name in the supporters list.. he played a major role in chennai providing food medicines.. Deepika173 (talk) 14:34, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Requesting an edit

I would appreciate it if you could reword the paragraph below for clarity - Singaporean Tamils are not protesting. We have neither cause for nor gain through these protests. It would help to make it clear that the foreign Tamils from India are the ones protesting. Thank you for your time and consideration.

"Support for the protest also came from Tamils around the world[56] such as in Sri Lanka, UK, Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, Malaysia, Canada, China, Russia, United States,UAE[57] France, South Africa."[58]

116.87.224.112 (talk) 14:54, 21 January 2017 (UTC)Esha

Semi-protected edit request on 21 January 2017

I am a youth from Tamilnadu and a part of the protests. Please grant me the permission to edit the article. The particular edits will be made:

 1) New Hyperlinks will be added.
 2) New details as per News Updates will be updated.
 3) Content will be verified for any unintentional mistakes in grammar and spellings. Nivaas Sudhan (talk) 14:45, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Not done: This isn't the place to request editing permissions. If you have specific changes to propose, you can post those requests here. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:05, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Request to change BULL TAMING into BULL EMBRACING

Please change the words BULL TAMING into BULL EMBRACING as the later depicts the sport more appropriately.

-- Boobal Ganesan — Preceding unsigned comment added by 183.83.50.51 (talk) 15:12, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

 Not done - "Bull embracing" is a ridiculous description. Bull riding, bull wrestling, bull grabbing would be more apt descriptions for the practice. "Embracing" connotes tenderness and affection, like the way a mother embraces her newborn child. That is not what is happening when jallikattu participants grab the hump of a running, bucking bull and hold onto it for dear life. My suspicion is that there is a socio-political campaign to euphemise the description of the sport so it doesn't sound as likely to be cruel. However, Wikipedia is not the place for that. The majority of sources describe it as a bull taming event. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:29, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

jallikattu

Plz add meme creators name Kathirrihtak.t (talk) 16:23, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

 Not done Why would it be noteworthy in an encyclopedia to indicate the name of someone who created a meme? What 10-year value would this have? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:31, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 January 2017

--Sivaasmm48 (talk) 10:39, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Sivaasmm48 (talk) 10:39, 21 January 2017 (UTC)Support for the protest also came from Tamils around the world such as indian medical students from Georgia ,Ukraine ,Phillipines ,Guyana, China ,

Support for Jallikattu also came from Tamils in Germany, Netherlands as well.

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:32, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 January 2017

122.164.37.165 (talk) 07:37, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:33, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 January 2017

On 20th Jan 2017, TN Government submitted an ordinance to allow Jallikattu to be conducted. It was approved by Central Govt Ministry and has been sent to President of India for his nod. Iaravindh (talk) 08:28, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:34, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 January 2017

Selvarani selvadurai (talk) 16:51, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:13, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 January 2017

Topic should be "jallikattu movement" KN 07:05, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:32, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Merge a separate article here

Hi it's been recommended that the article I created about Karthikeya Sivasenapathy be merged here as he does not have sufficient individual notability apart from his role in the protests. I have tried to reduce the content in the article and rewritten it so that it sounds neutral. Admins please review before merging.

--Schandrasekar (talk) 19:31, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Comment from Gan13166

The Endless list of supporters is not required. Please remove the Supporters Section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gan13166 (talk • contribs)

Backbone TN Youngster participation and common peoples was not highlighted, priority was given to the Industry based participant in the content. Ramkumar Venkatesan (talk) 02:57, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

@Ramkumar Venkatesan: How does your comment relate to the comment directly above about the supporter list? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 03:28, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 January 2017

Please rename the title as : Marina Tamil Spring 2017 Sivasu2 (talk) 04:33, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 04:36, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 January 2017

Day and night, even when raining, Thousands of Youngsters including women and children are protesting in DESA-BANDHU ground in VIRUDHUNAGAR. 117.206.131.36 (talk) 04:36, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 04:40, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Title change

Hi,

Kindly change the Title into "Jallikattu Revolution" from jallikattu protest. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mageshprasath (talk • contribs) 05:14, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

There are vast difference between "revolution" and "protest". It was not revolution. --AntanO 05:23, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

I do believe there is a necessity to change the title though, as "2017 Jallikattu protests" sounds like the protests are against Jallikattu when the protests are actually in favour of Jallikattu. Perhaps, it could be "2017 pro-Jallikattu protests"? - Nirinsanity (talk) 05:30, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

I agree with Nirinsanity's idea and have thus have WP:BOLDly implemented it. Psiĥedelisto (talk) 06:18, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

A2 Milk?

Not clear what is the link to A2 protein - health & protests. Need more clarity & citations.J mareeswaran (talk) 10:11, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

J mareeswaran (talk) 10:11, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 January 2017

Techameed (talk) 10:33, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 13:25, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 January 2017

Fwdzpradeep (talk) 08:54, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 13:26, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 January 2017

All over the page its mentioned bull taming but its not, Its bull embracing. It was long time called bull taming which delivered the context of the sport wrong to many people, which eventually led to misunderstanding by many who read only english and not tamil. Please refer the suggestion by leading people of Tamil Nadu, which was also going at a side at the time of protest.

Kindly change it as this created a misconception among all non tamil people. so please.m 182.65.81.27 (talk) 04:28, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. The majority of sources call it bull taming and "bull embracing" sounds ridiculous in English. Would someone embrace their mother by grabbing her by the hump and holding on for 15 metres or 30 seconds? Of course not. We don't use euphemisms at Wikipedia. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 06:12, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 January 2017

please change 'mancu' to 'manju' because it is incorrect. Refer this page also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jallikattu 2404:F801:8028:2:0:0:0:6A7 (talk) 05:48, 23 January 2017 (UTC)  Done - Arjayay (talk) 09:10, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 January 2017

Please add something about Tamilnadu jallikattu peravai thalaivar Dr.P.Rajasekaran who has been fighting to lift the ban on jallikattu in India from the beginning itself and also please make note on this too,He is the one who supports financially by selling his own property to run the case successfully in supreme court of India.

note: This is not a request from myself only,most of the peoples knows about it and also Hip-hop thamizha Aadhi & senadhipathi also ponited out this during their campaign of creating awareness among peoples 122.174.171.160 (talk) 08:25, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not requested a specific change in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
More importantly, you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 09:10, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 January 2017

All the information given was correct but an additional in formation is yet be added. At a result of the youngster's protest tn Government with central government took decision to conduct Jallikattu as a permanent cultural sport every year and a law passed and made it true . Student protest has made a victory even thought there was a clash at the final

thankyou hope you make my statement Dossarms (talk) 14:37, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 15:07, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

How should the article be organized?

I think the article has great potential to get a good article status as there's a lot of material, but in its current state, I feel it's a mess. Can we have a discussion on how it can be more organised? I propose the following sections:

• Background: All the events preceding the protests such as the origins of the ban, which supposedly go back to around 2005.
• Prelude: All the smaller events immediately preceding the protests such as actor Simbu's call for protests on 11 January, which weren't part of the main protests.
• Protests: The main section highlighting the events of the protests. There's probably a lot to cover in this section. Perhaps there can be subsections as well.
• Results: The achieved end results.
• Legacy: The long term effects such as the effects the protests have had on other unrelated matters.

Please leave suggestions. Thank you. - Nirinsanity (talk) 19:37, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Add Information on Violence Caused by Police

There are many Videos and photos , where the Tamil Nadu police itself Setting Fire a Hut , Auto Rickshaw , Vehicles and Damaging Many Public Property , unwanted Violence against Public , Hitting Kids , Ladies , Pelting stones. Police claiming this are morphed, seriously are they in 2017? here i will link those Video links. here where the india's Great Actor Kamal Hassan Sharing a Video in his Verified Twitter Handle where a Police man Burning a public Auto Rickshaw and kamal hassan quotes 'What is this. Please explain some one" Here Picture where police beats the protesters and Takes away their food and Eats it Here Police damaging Vehicles in Marina Beach, Chennai here video police doing unwanted damage and violence against people who are standing inside their house Here Another Video where Police Firing Public Auto Rickshaws This is a Twitter tag that was trending few hours back "#shameonTNpolice" Here Police beating a BBC TV Reporter Here a Lady Police Burning a Hut and there are several other proofs available in that Twitter tag itself. and Many Local Media Showed this Illegal activities caused by police. here Reliable Reference and source ‘It’s A Mistake’: Kamal Haasan Condemns Tamil Nadu Police For Evicting Supporters (TIMES NOW ) News18 report Cops setting fire

So Please add this information and facts Jallikattuman (talk) 02:20, 24 January 2017

References

@Jallikattuman: None of those Twitter links are considered reliable sources by us here on Wikipedia for the purposes of accusing police officers of brutality, sorry. The TimesNow and News18 link might be reliable, because they were written by journalists assessing the credibility of the Twitter reports, however. Please find more reliable sources for the police violence/police brutality, and then make a more cohesive edit request using an encyclopedic tone (that means also including the response of the police to the claims). Psiĥedelisto (talk) 08:44, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 January 2017

Anna Stadium in Nagercoil was also a part of the protest with 4000 people. 94.200.75.171 (talk) 05:36, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not requested a specific change in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
More importantly, you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. Psiĥedelisto (talk) 08:45, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 January 2017

{{subst:trim| 220.158.143.139 (talk) 07:52, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not requested a specific change in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
More importantly, you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. Psiĥedelisto (talk) 08:46, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Kindly edit the line.....

"Throughout the movement, the protests were largely seen as being peaceful, but turned violent on 23 January."

this line needs to be edited. the protest did not turn violent. some anti social elements made it violent. the students continued to peaceful protest. certain violence were caused by anit social elements and police themselves.

sources: http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/jallikattu-protests-chennai-videos-showing-violence-by-police-to-be-probed/story-iqz084fY6U0daupksgHyfI.html

http://www.news18.com/news/india/jallikattu-chennai-police-under-fire-as-video-shows-cop-setting-auto-ablaze-1339738.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.217.194.7 (talk) 10:48, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Capitalization of "Jallikattu"

Many sources I am reading, such as [1] use "jallikattu". Others, such as [2] capitalize it. (Note, I am only counting uses of "Jallikattu mid-sentence.) As per WP:MOSCAPS I believe it should not be capitalized. But what do Indian Wikipedians think? Psiĥedelisto (talk) 06:21, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

It's not a proper noun, and if you don't capitalize rodeo or football, why would we capitalize jallikattu? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 07:42, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb: Um, because many reliable sources do? Because it is a yearly event, rather than a sport practiced any time? Then again, many reliable sources also don't; which is why I sought feedback instead of just doing it. PS: I think your move was correct, if not hasty. Psiĥedelisto (talk) 08:39, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

@Psiĥedelisto: Good point on the yearly event. As for the reliable sources, I'm sure if we were to pick through most of them, we could find any number of editorial errors and inconsistencies without much effort. Sometimes you just have to pick a thing and run with it. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 11:16, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 January 2017

VasanthanVelladurai (talk) 21:42, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Include Finland also in the Participant country List

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 22:42, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 January 2017

Hi team, Thanks for creating this page proud moment, but you have not mentioned the names of people who really fought for this issue for the past few years. Veeravelaittu mettupu kalagam head Mr. Rajesh who is been fighting in the supreme court,debates in many TV channels, protest against cine stars who supported peta and other organizations against jallikattu. And finally he was also in the press meet to announce the bad is been lifted and gave further explanations to conclude the protest. 203.63.57.27 (talk) 22:21, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 22:44, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

சல்லிக்கட்டு

தமிழகத்தின் மாபெரும் இளைஞர்கள் தன்னெழுச்சி போராட்டம் உலகில் மிகப்பெரிய கடற்கரையான சென்னை மெரீனாவில் குழுமியுள்ள கூட்டம் பற்றிய கருத்து மிகப்பெரிய சமூகவலைதளமான விக்கீபீடியாவில் தவறாக பதியப்பட்டுள்ளது தமிழனாகிய நானும் அதே போராட்ட களத்தில் இருக்கும் இளைஞனாகிய நான் சொல்கிறேன் இங்கு குழுமியுள்ள தமிழர்கள் 1 லட்சமல்ல 9 லட்சம் மக்கள் என்பதே உண்மை திருத்தம் செய்ய வேண்டுகோள் விடுக்கிறேன் அன்புடன் கவிஞர் கனகரத்தினம் கவிஞர்கனகரத்தினம் (talk) 07:50, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Superb Sridharpriyamettur (talk) 18:24, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

@கவிஞர்கனகரத்தினம்: This is the English Wikipedia, please make your request in English. Thank you, - Mlpearc (open channel) 23:15, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Please don't attribute celebrities here

In the article's Support section talks like the protest was initiated by a celebrity. Yes, HipHop Thamizha has been a strong supporter of Jallikattu and was the foremost in the celeb list to express it without fear. However, this protest or 'Pro-Jallikattu movement' was clearly not initiated by him. Same way, is there evidence to show that students praised Raghava Lawrence as next Superstar? Even if they did, it is not a unanimous statement. I recommend the author to just report things as happened. There are lot more celebs came forward and expressed their views. Those can simply come under supporters, their emotional outbursts are not needed to be mentioned as this is purely a leaderless non-political youth's activity. Otherwise, I appreciate the article. ~ Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.207.188.210 (talk) 16:45, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Unless editors are willing to dig up an equally prominent list of celebrities who are opposed to jallikattu, the inclusion of the supporter list only serves to promote one perspective and should be cut. It's as though Wikipedia is saying, "look at all these enlightened, famous people who support this thing. Don't you want to be like them?" Propaganda. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:08, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Good. So you can remove the section itself. Actually, there's no point in addressing these celeb names in a totally different protest like this one. However I don't understand why editors have to 'dig equally prominent celebrities' who opposed Jallikattu to "match up" (-you said 'equally') to the strength of pro-jallikattu celebs. When on one side 'editors may want to dig', on the other side Celebs "came up" and said they are supporting, and it is news already and that can be presented very neutrally as simple information. It is simple, when you make support section, you make 'against' as well, but deliberately pulling/ digging info or waiting for it to matching up information is already available is not neutrality in my view. ~ Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.206.120.222 (talk) 20:40, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't understand the bulk of your response. I was saying that if editors think for some reason that it's encyclopedic to draw attention to the famous people who were in support of Jallikattu, they should be willing to provide equal attention to the famous people who oppose it. It's doubtful that any of the people who wanted to highlight celebrity support would be willing to spotlight the opposition. At any rate, it's unclear why we should care what actors and singers think about this issue. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 03:36, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the update. Just 2 points to mention; 1. There is no evidence that 'this' protest was initiated by Mr. Karthikeya Sivasenapathy. So giving little more emphasis on the time, I think the first sentence may read as, “Earlier, protests were supported...” 2. who “... named him as a new Superstar of Tamil Nadu.” ??? - this ungrounded statement seems to be endorsing. ~Thanks

it is must to remove karthikeya sivasenapathy, lorentz and hip hop tamilza. they may protested and fought in previous stage. but tis january pro jallikattu protest is initiated,organised by students. mentioning students will alone be correct. for their own cause and popularity they may used the chance and stage it should not considered in an encyclopedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.47.15.10 (talk) 15:36, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

POV

POV is tagged on main page, but I don't see discussion. The user who added should have discussed at talk page. So, I removed the POV template. Section "Support and opposition" is clear for POV. --AntanO 04:50, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

@AntanO: There's no requirement that any maintenance tag be accompanied by discussion, so a lack of discussion isn't automatically a justification to remove templates. At the time I added the POV tag, the article reflected primarily one viewpoint, and there was POV content in the form of words like "famous" as well as an unsubstantiated allegation of "international conspiracy" against PETA. So flagging was legitimate. The article is a bit more balanced now so I don't object to the removal of the template from the top of the article, so long as other users don't feel there are still POV issues. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:53, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

Tamil Nadu ordinance/law version 2

So, it seems like this event is mostly over, but from my research it seems like it could start up again any time. I added what I found in this edit [3], I request that interested editors please look it over. From my research, I can find very few concrete differences between the 2017 Tamil Nadu Assembly ordinance and the 2009 one. All it seems to do is kick the can down the road until PETA comes around and challenges them again. Psiĥedelisto (talk) 05:30, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

@Nirinsanity: Thank you for liking my edit, I was wondering if I could request your opinion here? Psiĥedelisto (talk) 13:21, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

Yes, I do think the ordinance can still be challenged, just like any other act or law. But considering the sentiments of the Tamil people, and the immense efforts put by the youngsters to legalise the sport, I think the Supreme Court of India and PETA might consider thinking twice before trying to ban it. - Nirinsanity (talk) 18:39, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

Thai puratchi தை புரட்சி

Pl include the name of Jalikattu probprotest as Thai puratchi தை புரட்சி.

Vivekchelsea (talk) 13:59, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 January 2017

Please add the Jallikattu Protest Website link which I am developing,

http://www.jallikattuprotest.com/ Itsvinothkumar (talk) 03:04, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Not done: Itsvinothkumar, Wikipedia is not an advertising forum and editors are not here to drive traffic to your website project (which I might add is soliciting donations.) Also, as of this note, your site currently contains zero information, comprising a "coming soon" page and an empty News page, and lastly, since the jallikattu protests were not an organized event, there is no "official" centralized source of information, so it would be problematic for us to pick your site over any other sites that sprang up to do the same thing you intend to do. So, sorry, but I have to decline your request. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 03:13, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Jallikattu has not been fully legalized

AWBI has already challenged the 2017 Tamil Nadu state law in court, citing that it conflicts with Indian federal law (and is therefore illegal/null and void).

See the sources I cited in [4]. Please be careful with claiming in the infobox/lead/elsewhere in article that jallikattu has been fully legalized. No it hasn't, according to Indian legal experts (including a high ranking government attorney/minister) and AWBI, who has already challenged the new law. Federal law always wins over state law in a federal system, and I expect the Supreme Court to once again nullify the jallikattu ordinance. Action is needed from the Centre to stop this vicious cycle, period. (Please note some of this is unencyclopedic POV, but everything I put in the article is well sourced. ) Psiĥedelisto (talk) 20:29, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

@Psiĥedelisto: You might also want to keep an eye on Bullfighting#Bans. I recently updated it to reflect that jallikattu is legal, but if that's not the best phrasing, please feel free to monitor that as well. I get the sense that the legality of jallikattu will swing back and forth numerous times over the next few years. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:43, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb: Thank you, I have updated it. As you can imagine, this is an incredibly thorny political issue in India. Cows are sacred in the Hindu tradition, and that includes bulls. But Tamils are not (usually) Hindu. Therefore, the Central government would rather just allow Tamil Nadu to have their ordinance/state law, even if it technically violates federal law, because that way they don't have to come out on the federal level legalizing jallikattu, which many Hindus would abhor. Unfortunately for both sides, the Supreme Court exists, and keeps thwarting this understanding they have between each other. I enjoy writing about legal issues and case timelines on Wikipedia, and this was one of the harder ones to unravel and fully understand all the parties and their motivations. Psiĥedelisto (talk) 21:01, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

@Psiĥedelisto: The same petition has been withdrawn by the AWBI. Please do update the wording in the article. - Nirinsanity (talk) 10:47, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

@Nirinsanity: What a right mess this is turning out to be! Articles updated: bullfighting [5], this article [6], jallikattu [7]. I fully expect to have to expand on this next week when another organization challenges the law in AWBI's place. Thanks for the notification. Psiĥedelisto (talk) 11:11, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Geez...firstly, thanks for doing the updating, Psiĥedelisto. If this issue is likely to be in flux, maybe we should take a "take it slow" approach to this. We're not required to be a breaking news source and update articles with the latest data. Sometimes it makes more sense to just chillax a bit. Another way to go, and I don't know if this is possible (it would certainly require some planning) is to use content transclusions. Content could be created at Jallikattu, transcluded to these other articles, and if something changes, we change it at Jallikattu and it is reflected automatically in all the articles. I don't know...might not be practical in this case, but thought I'd mention it. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 21:05, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

I've been checking the Indian papers whenever I remember, and saw this today. [8] From this I can see that the Supreme Court is definitely interested in continuing the case. They refused to grant a stay order all out declaring the law unconstitutional, but have sought a statement from the state of Tamil Nadu about the new law. From my experience in other courts this is step one in turning over the new law -- the language of it is too different for the court to just flip it on its head immediately with an order, regardless of however much they'd probably like to do that. I think this is too new/vague/not a major event to put into the article, but if the Tamil Nadu government takes the maximum six weeks to reply (which is in their interest, as it slows down the inevitable declaration of unconstitutionality), we have a respite as far as updating this article is concerned. Psiĥedelisto (talk) 15:03, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

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Jallikattu Protest

Awesome support from youngsters. Hats off guys — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.89.154.131 (talk) 11:01, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Political stance

Political stance is usually added in most articles involving protests. However this article does not have such a heading.

The following points could be added as a paragraph.

Political stance

1. In 2011, Congress led UPA Government, under Jairam Ramesh as Environment Minister banned Jallikattu.
2. In 2015, Congress leader and former prime minister of India, Dr.Manmohan Singh called Jallikattu as "cruel", and in a letter to The Human Society International/India affiliate, wished it success on its objective to get the bull fight (Jallikattu) banned.
3. Senior Congress leader, Jairam Ramesh, in 2014, welcomed ban on Jallikattu.
4. Congress, in May 2016 Manifesto, supported ban on Jallikattu.
5. However later, the party changed its stance after protests began.

1. In 2015, the BJP led Central government decided to lift the ban on animal performance in religious festivals like Jallikattu.
2. BJP leader and Animal activist Maneka Gandhi, took a stance against party line, and opposed Jallikattu.

--Kanhakris2297 (talk) 08:29, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Political stance is usually added in most articles involving protests. However this article does not have such a heading.

Provide examples, also see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS

In 2011, Congress led UPA Government, under Jairam Ramesh as Environment Minister banned Jallikattu.

www.sknvibes.com? The source says Congress leader Jairam Ramesh was Environment minister in 2011 when the Ministry issued a notification banning the use of bulls as performing animals. While the sport had continued under the Tamil Nadu Regulation of Jallikattu Act, a 2014 Supreme Court judgement had put an end to that. This WP:OR. The content about the ban is already in the article.

In 2015, Congress leader and former prime minister of India, Dr.Manmohan Singh called Jallikattu as "cruel", and in a letter to The Human Society International/India affiliate, wished it success on its objective to get the bull fight (Jallikattu) banned.
Senior Congress leader, Jairam Ramesh, in 2014, welcomed ban on Jallikattu.

WP:NPOV, the same sources says "Digvijaya Singh who outrightly support it" while you had cherry picked content.

However later, the party changed its stance after protests began.

Sources??

In 2015, the BJP led Central government decided to lift the ban on animal performance in religious festivals like Jallikattu.

The source says Environment minister Prakash Javadekar had recently spoken about the possibility of amending the law to allow performance of animals like elephants in religious functions and bullocks in traditional rural sporting events. Possibility is not decided. - SUN EYE 1 10:46, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Provide examples, also see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS

Political stance is given under Reactions Heading in this article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020%E2%80%932021_Bulgarian_protests#Domestic . The various statements made by political leader have been quoted. So a similar thing can be added here.

Your problem is not with the content here but that I have left out something. Obviously entire article can't be written, a summary of the quotes can be written. If you think that something is left out, you could add it, rather than deleting that which is a fact cited in the reference. So I'll add those and modify a bit here,

• In 2011, Congress led UPA Government's Ministry of Environment, under Jairam Ramesh as Environment Minister issued notification to ban use of bulls in Jallikattu. But the sport continued and a Supreme Court Judgement in 2014 put an end to it.
• Senior Congress leader, Jairam Ramesh, in 2014, welcomed ban on Jallikattu.
• In 2015, Congress leader and former prime minister of India, Dr.Manmohan Singh called Jallikattu as "cruel", and in a letter to The Human Society International/India affiliate, wished it success on its objective to get the bull fight (Jallikattu) banned.
• Congress leaders like Digvijaya Singh supported Jallikattu. while Randeep Sujrewala took a cautious line.
• In 2015, the BJP led Central government's Environment Miniter Prakash Javadekar spoke about possibility of amending law to allow animal performance in religious festivals like Jallikattu.
• BJP leader and Animal activist Maneka Gandhi, took a stance against party line, and opposed Jallikattu.

--Kanhakris2297 (talk) 12:47, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Your problem is not with the content here but that I have left out something.

What??You can't act like you did not add all those WP:OR that I pointed out above and that was the reason I reverted your edit.

This article is about "Jallikattu protests", if you are adding a section about political stance then it must be a reaction to the Jallikattu protests not the "ban" of Jallikattu, see WP:TOPIC. Almost all the sources were before the Jallikattu protests happened in 2017. The ban is a smaller part which is already in the background section, all these reactions about the ban is totally WP:UNDUE. If you need to put this in a article then it must be something about the ban of Jallikattu if it's notable. - SUN EYE 1 13:41, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Apolitical protest?

This formula sounds confusing, did one mean "non-partisan" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.193.35.108 (talk) 15:13, 4 April 2022 (UTC)