Talk:1954 Hungary v England football match

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On 12 August 2021, it was proposed that this article be moved from Hungary 7–1 England (1954 association football friendly) to 1954 Hungary v England football match. The result of the discussion was moved.

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Requested move 12 August 2021[edit]

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The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Vpab15 (talk) 20:32, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hungary 7–1 England (1954 association football friendly) → 1954 Hungary v England football match – In line with the rest of association football friendly articles at Category:International association football matches. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 12:16, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 12:55, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - standard naming for club games is along the lines of Chelsea F.C. 2–4 Bradford City A.F.C. (2015), which makes sense. The proposed name here, while in line with the rest of the category, seems odd and overly detailed, and I think all should be changed. I see nothing wrong with moving to the format of Hungary 7–1 England (1954). GiantSnowman 14:00, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- @GiantSnowman: Using "Country x–x Country (year)" doesn't really make it clear that the article is about an association football game. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 14:28, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - Fair; let's change it to Hungary national football team 7–1 England national football team (1954 association football friendly) to ensure that it's super clear exactly what the topic is??? All joking aside, we don't need the level of detail proposed; in reality, what is ambiguous or confusing for readers? Giant Snowman 14:31, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Standard naming for individual sports matches everywhere on Wikipedia is not to include the score (barring the unusual case of it being the COMMONNAME), and that's the standard in most football matches as well (see Brazil v Germany (2014 FIFA World Cup) despite a very famous scoreline). Score is just an awful disambiguator, since scores can repeat in multiple matches; the relevant disambiguator is the year, 1954. (I would also be okay with Hungary v England (1954 associational football friendly) or the like, too.) It is true that some European football matches have resisted this, but I find this "exception" baffling and not supported by the way reliable sources cover it, so it is more of a strange WP:LOCALCONSENSUS that European soccer matches should be displayed in a different way than nearly every other kind of sporting match on Wikipedia. See https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-25033749 for example, which repeatedly refers to this match as "England v Hungary" but never "Hungary 7-1 England". The score is mentioned, sure, but never as part of a form of address, and we should honor how reliable sources treat the topic. SnowFire (talk) 22:13, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.