Category talk:American murder victims

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Criteria for inclusion[edit]

What is the criteria for inclusion in this category? Must the killing be judged a murder in a court?

At least one of the people on this list (namely Phil Hartman) was killed by his wife, but she killed herself soon after and so there was no trial. So from a legal perspective there was no "murder", only a homicide. ... discospinster _talk 00:31, 6 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This raises an interesting point; perhaps the category should be renamed Category:American homicide victims, since all murder victims would automatically be homicide victims. The opposite, however, is not true, so perhaps it would broaden the category beyond what is desired. (I can't believe no one responded to this comment for more than three years!)—D'Ranged 1 VT^alk 20:05, 7 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You would think that killings by the police would only be called murder if the policeperson was duly convicted. Shouldn't we apply this criteria to all people?--208.54.64.133 (talk) 13:59, 4 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Timeframe[edit]

How far back does this list go? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Grepster (talk • contribs) 14:32, 28 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There is no time limit for inclusion. --Geniac (talk) 00:53, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Why two categories?[edit]

What is the distinction between this and Category:People murdered in the United States?—D'Ranged 1 VT^alk 21:43, 5 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

My questions was answered at the other category's talk page; I've updated descriptions for both categories.—D'Ranged 1 VT^alk 20:02, 7 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sub-categories[edit]

I've created and filled the following sub-categories. The number of pages in this category reduced from 700+ to 420.

Category:Murdered American musicians (49 P)
Category:Murdered American actors‎ (42 P)
Category:Murdered American scientists (12 P)
Category:Murdered American sportspeople‎ (3 C, 40 P)
Category:Murdered American baseball players (28 P)
Category:Murdered American basketball players (16 P)
Category:Murdered American politicians‎ (1 C, 28 P)
Category:Murdered American writers (30 P)
Category:Murdered American military personnel‎ (36 P)
Category:Murdered American journalists (1 C, 27 P)
Category:Murdered American students‎ (71 P)

Category:Murdered American Jews‎ (1 C, 29 P)
Category:Murdered Mexican Americans‎ (10 P)
Category:Murdered Russian Americans (5 P)

The following categories contain a good number of Americans, in case that anyone wants to do some further splitting:

Category:Murdered businesspeople
Category:Murdered explorers
Category:Murdered entertainers
Category:Murdered criminals
American media people: Barry Crane, Mike Webb (radio host), Barbara Olson, Mari Gilbert, David Huffman, Terry Knight, Jack Landau (director)

— Ark25 (talk) 17:56, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]