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New purpose for this 'lost' list[edit]

I am changing the purpose of this list somewhat. Currently, its stated criteria for inclusion is exactly why we have categories in Wikipedia, and this page should not be a duplication of that function. In fact there is one, Category:Dog trainers [1] which should be used instead.

The current lede paragraph is "This is a list of notable professional dog trainers," which has a few problems.

1. "Notable" links to Wikipedia:Notability when it should have directed to Notability. This might seem a picky point, but general readers of an encyclopedia should NOT be directed to a page meant for wiki editors. The Notability article is much better.

2. For the purposes of this list, notable SHOULD mean people who contributed to the dog training industry in some way, and should NOT be a list of celebrity dog trainers whose claim to fame might only be that they are on TV or once wrote a book but are of average dog training skill and haven't contributed any techniques or forwarding of the (dog training) industry. As such, whether or not an individual generally qualifies for their own article in Wikipedia because of Wikipedia:Notability is irrelevant, and may not qualify them for a mention on this page. Likewise, getting their article deleted because of lack of Wikipedia:Notability is no reason to remove them from this list (as recently happened when a page got deleted).

3. The word "professional" implies "earns a living doing it". Unfortunately, that tends to cause the inclusion of all TV 'dog trainers' while also inhibiting the inclusion of worthy "amateur" dog trainers.

I will be modifying this article. Each person's name should be followed by a few sentences of what they are known for (in dog training circles). I'll link to their wiki article if they have one, but they shouldn't be required to have one. And I'll definitely include citations so readers can go off and do their own research about a particular trainer that grabs their interest. But there is no need to make a detailed list of their accomplishments, etc.

After I flesh out the article with new list entries and alterations to current list entries, I'll re-evaluate the inclusion of some of these that are currently on the list. Several of them are just celebrities and not really dog trainers. Oh sure, everyone could train a dog, but it could just as easily be said that every dog owner is a trainer of at least their own dog. Neither makes them notable "in the dog training industry" and as such would exclude them from this list.

Also of note, there was a redirect from Dog trainer to Dog training. I changed the redirect to this page, List of dog trainers, which was more correct. The old redirect made this list "invisible"; only found through a search for "contains dog trainer".

-- Nomopbs (talk) 04:49, 8 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Old criteria[edit]

I removed the comment/notation (from the code) of criteria for the list. This criteria notation was added on June 18, 2013‎ by editor Cindamuse who has been inactive for over five years now. I copy it here for posterity. Nomopbs (talk) 05:09, 8 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This is a list of notable professional dog trainers. Do not add links to this article, unless there is an article for the subject. Do not add embedded links to external websites. Remember that Wikipedia is not a business directory, nor should it be used for advertising. Inappropriate links will be deleted. See Wikipedia:External links and Wikipedia:Spam for more information. For the Manual of Style pertaining to stand-alone lists, please see Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Stand-alone lists.

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