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Closed. The other editors have not replied to the notice, three days after being notified. They are assumed to have declined to participate in moderated discussion, which is voluntary. Continue discussion at Talk:Maratha Confederacy. Do not edit war. Report disruptive editing at WP:ANI after reading the boomerang essay, but do not edit disruptively. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:53, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Plz see the WP:RS sources and take decision from a neutral point of view. Any article needs to have information of itself not others here in Maratha Confederacy article Mughals are discussed more in 1st para than the Marathas. Not much have been described about Marathas in intro paras even after so much information exist about them.
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Closed due to no response from the other editors and as abandoned by the original poster, who has not edited in three days after filing this dispute resolution request. Resume discussion at the article talk page. Any editor may start a new RFC. An editor who does not participate in a contentious discussion that they started is likely to be mistaken for a troll. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:59, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Dispute as to the neutrality of characterizing Slotkin's "support of the strike" with a plain statement or quotes from reliable sources. No consensus from RfC leaves status quo in place, but status quo is seen as an inaccurate/slanted characterization by some participants in discussion.
How have you tried to resolve this dispute before coming here?
A decision on whether the reliable sources characterize the quote, how they characterize the quote, and whether part of the quote should be included in the article.
Please keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker.
Oh I'll keep it brief: a few editors have been fighting to keep this trivial NOTNEWS material in here for months. It's a bit of nothing, apparently originally inserted by a sock of User:Thespeedoflightneverchanges. User:andrew.robbins is making this into a--I don't know what, something irritating, and I wonder what wise editors like User:Muboshgu or User:Courcelles think about this. Drmies (talk) 22:14, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker.
I don't have anything to add outside of there is no consensus for anything, at this point I say just leave it out. Not saying this is good reasoning or that I agree that NOTNEWS applies, just that I don't think it is a big enough deal to keep pushing. Maybe have another RFC in a few months/years once more critical perspectives of her tenure and actions towards labor have been done. LegalSmeagolian (talk) 23:33, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker.
Important context here is that this article has been the subject of repeated sock and meat puppetry with off-Wiki organizing being publicly admitted to (which resulted in even the talk page being ECP) with Cpotisch reporting that there's a team of editors who "hate Slotkin" attempting to push a POV here. Wrt this specific section of the article: it's been discussed ad nauseam and there's no consensus for the edit being suggested. Not sure how many venues this argument needs to be repeated in. Dcpoliticaljunkie (talk) 22:48, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Zeroth question by volunteer (Elissa Slotkin)[edit]
There has already been an RFC, although the RFC was poorly written, and was closed as No Consensus. Before any further dispute resolution action can be taken, either at this noticeboard, or elsewhere, I have a question, which is: What, if anything, do any of the editors who have filed or responded to this request expect to be accomplished at this noticeboard? I am adding the closer, User:Alpha3031, because they noted in closing that a request for assistance could be made here or at another noticeboard. What, if anything, is anyone suggesting or asking to be done at this noticeboard? Robert McClenon (talk) 01:23, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This noticeboard usually facilitates moderated discussion. It isn't obvious to me whether moderated discussion is feasible. If some other service is being requested, it needs to be requested.
Be civil and concise. Comment on content, not contributors. Do not reply to the statements of other editors. Just answer the question that I have asked.
Robert McClenon (talk) 01:23, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Zeroth statements by editors (Elissa Slotkin)[edit]
To me, this comes down to acknowledging that leaving the status quo in place is not consistent with no consensus when the disputed text is so matter-of-fact. I'll save the elaboration on the process comments by certain editors above but would simply like to note that the immediate jump to blame on outside actors and implications levied on decisions that were overturned have been centered over the content dispute from the beginning. Obviously, deletion for the sake of NPOV isn't acceptable but for the sake of closure I do feel that there needs to be a content finding made here one way or the other. As to why this noticeboard and not somewhere else, I was simply acting on the suggestion of the closer and would be more than happy to relocate this if need be. andrew.robbins (talk) 22:37, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies for the delayed response. andrew.robbins, while it's not ubiquitous, omission of some particular material (especially contentious material) due to lack of consensus for inclusion is not unheard of either, and is supported by the Biographies of living persons policy. I believe the RFC in question is sufficiently malformed and underparticipated that it didn't really count for much in the grand scheme of things, but ultimately the participants were not able to come to a consensus for inclusion. If editors wish to continue to pursue inclusion near the end of discussion here, I believe this noticeboard may be of assistance in drafting a more appropriate RFC question, with clear options and a briefer and more neutral opening statement, though I would encourage any looking to do so to try to assess their prospects of success before embarking on such an attempt. Alpha3031 (t • c) 10:48, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
First statement by moderator (Elissa Slotkin)[edit]
The closer of the previous RFC has suggested that discussion at this noticeboard could formulate a better RFC. Please read DRN Rule E. This article and this discussion involve American politics because they involve an American politician. I have two questions for each editor. First, do you want to take part in discussion for the purpose of formulating a better RFC, and are you willing to follow WP:DRN Rule E? Second, do any of you have a proposal for a better RFC? In later discussion, we may discuss and further improve the RFC, but if someone proposes an obviously good wording, I may start the RFC and close the discussion. Be civil and concise. Comment on content, not contributors. Do not reply to the posts of other editors at this time; just reply to the request for a better RFC.
Robert McClenon (talk) 15:06, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Do either the original poster or any of the other editors here want to take part in discussion for the purpose of formulating a better RFC? If so, the discussion will be in accordance with DRN Rule E. If so, you may propose a wording for a better RFC. If there are no answers, I will conclude that the original poster was wasting the time of the other editors. That isn't a reason to close this discussion, but lack of input is a reason to close a discussion. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:54, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
First statements by editors (Elissa Slotkin)[edit]
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There is an impasse on how to describe, in the lead section, this boxer who was born in the UK, has only ever resided in the UK, and has only competed under a British boxing licence. He has Yemeni parents, which may qualify him for citizenship by descent. Various MOS have been invoked: MOS:ETHNICITY, MOS:IDENTITY, WP:NPOV, and WP:WEIGHT.
In the boxing world and Western mainstream media, he is primarily notable as a British boxer; in the Arab world, his Yemeni heritage is heavily emphasised. There are numerous reliable Western sources which describe him as solely British, and some Arab sources (of varying reliability) which describe him as Yemeni. Hamed self-describes as "British-Yemeni" or "Yemeni" on social media, and did so during his career by means of Yemeni flags and other symbology.
Extensive discussion at the talk page has resulted in a three vs three dispute on how to word the lead section: "British professional boxer", "British-Yemeni professional boxer", or "British professional boxer of Yemeni descent".
How have you tried to resolve this dispute before coming here?
Assist us in deciding how to describe Hamed in the opening sentence of the lead section, and whether it needs to be dealt with on a case-by-case basis or per the abovementioned MOS'es.
Greetings. I am a WP:BLPN volunteer and have participated in talkpage discussion but never edited this article. Because the subject identifies as Yemeni as supported by at least one reliable reference, I'm comfortable with that self-identification appearing anywhere in the article. I'm also of the position that WP:BLP and related either outweigh WP:MOS concerns or present a defensible position to WP:IAR. I do believe an identity datum as basic as this merits reasonable WP:WEIGHT. I do not agree with disputing its presence in the lede, even if it's worth exactly one mention in the body. Otherwise, I'd comment of the overall dispute that concerns stated and implied on the talkpage regarding chauvinism (countries claiming a champion) are themselves inherently chauvinistic. I'm not from either one. I have no committed preference for how this is resolved other than finding a resolution. Ta. JFHJr (㊟) 01:47, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
PS. If it aids resolution in this matter, I'm willing to walk-back my concerns (see talkpage) about Variety, iff the only thing used is identity/ethnicity. First, see WP:RSNP for the safety indicator. Second, this is tantamount to a safe WP:BLPSPS for the sole purpose used. This is actually an innocuous matter, despite the back and forth. Cheers. JFHJr (㊟) 03:05, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
First of all, contrary to the dispute overview, it was mentioned that only some (which are Arab) sources mentioned “Yemeni” or “British-Yemeni”, this is false, 3 sources (which are [1], [2], [3]) inserted in the discussion has stated “British-Yemeni” or has mentioned him being of Yemeni heritage and are not Arab sources at all, and are in-fact mostly western, with only two sources provided being Arab. For the summary of dispute, I’ve inserted several sources that prove the notability of Naseem’s Yemeni heritage, with him identifying as a Yemeni, and raising the Yemeni flag in a lot of his fights, and other acts of emphasis and symbology of him being Yemeni. All of this makes him being Yemeni/of Yemeni origins notable to his identity, and hence as per WP:ETHNICITY we would have to mention both British and Yemeni, because if not, that would be a violation of WP:NPOV as we are only taking into consideration him being British only, even if being Yemeni is as or more notable to his identity. At first I supported “British-Yemeni” in the lede but for more clarity, we should say “British professional boxer of Yemeni heritage” as we can’t confirm him having only one citizenship as per Yemeni naturalization law, he was always qualified for citizenship by descent (as both his parents are Yemeni), also using “British professional boxer of Yemeni heritage” allows us to include sources for both “British” and “Yemeni”.|MK|📝
I am ready to act as the moderator for this dispute. It appears that there is a dispute over what to say the subject's nationality is. Are there any other content issues? Please read DRN Rule A, and indicate whether you are willing to take part in moderated discussion in accordance with the rules. Please state, in one paragraph, what you think should be listed as the subject's nationality, and why that should be listed as his nationality. It appears that we may have to use an RFC. If anyone has any suggestions for compromise in place of an RFC, please provide the suggestion now. Robert McClenon (talk) 05:08, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Are there any other content issues? Nationality yes. Things like the adjective and the flag might (probably) point equally to ethnicity and heritage. This wider scope captures more of the nuance per talkpage discussions and proposed citations. I don't think this has rabbit-holed too far into nationality in the legal sense, nor citizenship. It's akin to asking how "Italian-American" an athlete would be, first generation (and flying the Italian flag, and who has self-described as Italian in a non-self-serving claim). Thank you Robert McClenon! JFHJr (㊟) 05:28, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My main argument was the notability of his Yemeni heritage, which I believe has been proven, and hence we have to say “British professional boxer of Yemeni heritage” so that it can conform to WP:ETHNICITY, and if we just say “British” in the lede that would be a violation of that policy. About self description, first of all all that was provided was not a self-published source, but a source that shared what he said, second of all, there are multiple sources (in my dispute summary, that were in the talk page of Naseem’s article) inserted that mention his Yemeni heritage, hence we would be able to cite both “British” and “Yemeni heritage”. |MK|📝 21:35, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Having given it some thought, I'm willing to compromise solely in favour of "British professional boxer of Yemeni descent" if an equal ratio of Western and Arab-centric sources are presented at the end of that sentence. I remain opposed to "British-Yemeni", as it breaks too far with WP's own MOSes and implies in WP's voice that he is a dual Yemeni resident, when he certainly is not. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 14:56, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
How do you get specifically to residency from the adjective? Nobody is talking about where he lives. JFHJr (㊟) 15:48, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's just how I would interpret WP's voice as a reader. That he must've be a citizen and thereby a resident at some point. By keeping them at separate ends of the lead, it states that as of right now he's a British subject first and foremost, which is how the boxing world knows him. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 16:30, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That’s the thing, he always had the option to gain a Yemeni citizenship, however we can’t confirm weather he has it or not, hence “British professional boxer of Yemeni descent” is a suitable option. I also have no problems with “British-Yemeni”. As I said, we would be able to cite both “British” and “of Yemeni descent” separately. It also complies with WP’s policies more than just “British” as stated above, we would also be able to do the same with “British-Yemeni”. |MK|📝 18:09, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm also fine with the periphrastic wording. Let's resolve this! JFHJr (㊟) 18:34, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I thought this was settled. He's British. GoodDay (talk) 22:21, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Second statement by volunteer (Naseem Hamed)[edit]
Is the question only about what to say in the lede sentence? Is there also a question about the body of the article? I am also asking each editor, again, what do you want listed in the lede sentence as his nationality and ethnicity, and why that is how it should be listed. If you have already answered this question, please answer it again.
Robert McClenon (talk) 04:39, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think it's already described and reffed sufficiently in the body. I think "British-Yemeni" is just fine for the lede based on the body (reffed) and the subject's own identity. The Variety ref that I previously opposed and now feel ok about might help. JFHJr (㊟) 05:05, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No problems with that. |MK|📝 18:17, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think his nationality should be described as British. MOS:ETHNICITY explains that when "the person is notable mainly for past events" as Mr. Hamed is, the country "where the person was ... when they became notable" should be in the opening paragraph. He lived, trained and competed mostly in the UK. He has not lived, trained or competed in Yemin. The same section of the MOS also says "Ethnicity, ... should generally not be in the lead unless relevant to the subject's notability." His ethnicity is not relevant to his notability.
I don't think there is any dispute about the body of the article.--Jahalive (talk) 22:01, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
First of all it’s spelled "Yemen", second of all, we’ve already proved the notability of him being Yemeni, the main discussion is weather we say “British professional boxer of Yemeni descent” or “British-Yemeni”. |MK|📝 07:31, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you didn’t catch up on the discussion, please do. |MK|📝 07:49, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Closed as pending in another forum. As per advice from a volunteer at this noticeboard, this dispute is being discussed, at length, at the BLP noticeboard. Continue discussion at BLPN. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:59, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already.
This article is about a homicide that occurred in 2024. The suspect has been arrested and charged with murder, but the case has not gone to trial yet. We are discussing whether or not the body of the page should refer to the crime as a "murder" or not. Wikipedia:Naming conventions (violence and deaths) is clear that we should *not* use the word "murder" in the title of the page, because nobody has been *convicted* of murder yet in this case. My view is that because we should not use "murder" in the title, we shouldn't be using it elsewhere on the page either, unless we are talking about the murder charge against the suspect or we are quoting someone. "Murder" is a legal term that is much narrower than "killing" or "homicide", and in my view, I believe the court is the one that gets to make the determination whether or not it's "murder". It's the court's job, not Wikipedians' job. I changed some instances of "murder" in the article to say "killing" or "homicide", but it was reverted by @FMSky. The users who have said they support using the term "murder" are @TanRabbitry and @FMSky. The users who support using other terms (like "killing") are me, @Objective3000, and @Cakelot1.
There has also been discussion about the title of the article on the Talk page, but since Wikipedia policy seems very clear about the title, I am not naming editors who provided their opinions on the title ONLY. I'm only naming editors who provided opinions on the use of "murder" in the rest of the article. I would like resolution regarding the language used in the article as a whole.
How have you tried to resolve this dispute before coming here?
A decision on the language to be used in the body of the article ("murder" vs. "killing"/"homicide"), except for instances where we are describing specific charges filed or quotes from sources.
Please keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker.
Here is my view: Wikipedia is not a court of law. We do have to assume innocence until guilt is proved, but we can also use some measure of common sense. Murder is the illegal, unjustifiable killing of another person. I actually don't agree with a previous editor's suggestion that "murder" is synonymous with "killing." Saying "I killed a mosquito," sounds normal. Saying "I murdered a mosquito," will get some strange reactions. Now, the death wasn't a suicide, manslaughter or accident. There is absolutely no hint of justification, such as self-defense. The party who killed her (whether its the suspect or not) committed murder. We don't know if the suspect did it because there's an assumption of innocence until any conviction. So if he's innocent, someone else still murdered her. But even if, for example, he did kill her and argues that he has a legal excuse (such as an insanity defense) the murder still occurred even if that argument is accepted and he isn't personally culpable for the crime. The murder happened regardless of the suspect's involvement or culpability. The death was due to blunt force trauma and asphyxiation, followed by multiple strikes to the head with a rock. There is no reasonable situation that this case could be self-defense. Now a court would at least have to entertain that possibility, but we do not (at least until that is actually claimed by the defense during the trial). Also, while we certainly can't assume that the suspect is guilty, I think we can take the polices' word that he didn't know her to be true (once again until such time as the defense says otherwise) therefore negating a crime of passion. The circumstances of the death also render this idea absurd. I think it is reasonable to assume the murder was a "crime of opportunity" as has been reported (regardless of who committed it), unless this is later contradicted. Unlike other cases mentioned on the "Talk" page, the circumstances and motivation are not controversial, only what the crime signifies and that isn't relevant here. The key point is this: I have wondered under what circumstances the "ignore rules" idea is to be utilized. I think this is one such place. After all, the phrasing suggestions are guidelines, not iron-clad rules. Thank you, TanRabbitry (talk) 01:56, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We are not judge and jury. There was no witness to the death. The accused is named making this a WP:BLP. We document what has occurred, not the result of a future trial WP:CRYSTAL. Unlike a newspaper, there is WP:NODEADLINE. The word murder should only be included in quotes until we know it is a murder. O3000, Ret. (talk) 21:52, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
An admin has corrected the text. O3000, Ret. (talk) 10:30, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The jury determines the particular facts of the case and the guilt of the accused. The death has been ruled a homicide and my point is that there isn't a rational explanation other than murder. That says nothing against the accused's guilt or innocence. Someone is guilty of murder, the only question is who and we won't know that until the trial is complete. We should use reason in certain instances instead of always following a guideline that can't account for every circumstance. I think this is an exception that proves the rule.
Well, not every homicide is a murder. The term homicide is rather technical and unwieldy, and only means "killing of another human being," meaning some second human is responsible. So for title purposes, "killing" is sufficient. If we suspected a bear could have done it, we'd be left with "death." And if you're drawing rational conclusions not based on a legal determination per a reliable source, you've WP:NORed and WP:POVed a "murder." Cheers. JFHJr (㊟) 21:01, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker.
There's a reason that WP:KILLINGS, which is an explanatory supplement to WP:TITLE, the latter of which is policy, as determined by a RfC archived here. There's also WP:BLPCRIME which exists for this purpose. The idea that we should ignore this guidance because of our WP:COMMONSENSE seems unwise. There have been plenty of other articles which where at "Killing of", until a conviction was rendered, where it seemed equally obvious that it would go one way (I'm thinking of Killing of Brianna Ghey which was moved to "Murder of" when they perpetrators where found guilty; but there's countless other examples of this). I just fail to see why this article is so different from every other article about killings/murders. Cakelot1 ☞️ talk 11:19, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please keep discussion to a minimum before being opened by a volunteer. Continue on article talk page if necessary.
Volunteer Note - The biographies of living persons noticeboard is probably the best forum for this concern. This seems to be a question about the biographies of living persons policy that can be answered by a knowledgeable volunteer. The suspect is a living person, and Laken Riley is a recently deceased person, and will be viewed as a recently deceased person as long as there are criminal proceedings about her death. I am not closing this case, but I will close this case if a thread is opened at the BLP noticeboard. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:59, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Another editor changed the language in the article before we have reached a conclusion. I reversed it back. Just thought I should let everyone know. TanRabbitry (talk) 06:47, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I just opened up a thread on the BLP noticeboard with a link to this discussion. Gottagotospace (talk) 17:41, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Closed. There has not been extensive discussion on the article's talk page. Please try to continue the discussion there and back your arguments using reliable sources. Also, the filing editor failed to notify the involved editors. Kovcszaln6 (talk) 16:46, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Have you discussed this on a talk page?
Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already.
There is a debate as to whether Primerica should primarily be defined as a multi-level marketing company. (“Primerica is a multi-level marketing company”). This is a relatively recent change. Prior to this edit, the lead sentence described Primerica as a financial services company and second sentence, deleted by Greyfell on February 23, 2024 stated that a 2010 Business Insider article described the company as a multi-level marketer. User:Greyfell said the sentence was a “weasel”. He merged the claim into the first sentence.
I have a conflict of interest as an employee of Primerica. I started a discussion on Talk stating that under WP:UNDUE and WP: LEAD the definition of the company in the first sentence of the lead should reflect the majority of the reliable sources (e.g Wall Street Journal, Bloomberg, Fox Business, Fortune, Yahoo Finance) and, the body of the article, which has only a short mention of multi-level marketing.
I started a Talk page discussion about whether the current or previous version of the lead was better and I asked other editors to weigh in. Before a discussion could take place, User:Chrisahn added a flag saying a “request edit” had been declined and that the discussion was now closed. No other editors were given a chance to participate. Chrisahn closed the discussion while severely attacking the company’s business practices: “There are many reliable sources explaining how Primerica's MLM scheme works, and warning people of Primerica,” and “Unless you're one of the higher-ups and have no conscience…” that I should not participate in the discussion.
The self-evident, highly biased attack of the company has made a Talk page discussion literally impossible
How have you tried to resolve this dispute before coming here?
I am hoping editors here can facilitate a good faith discussion on the merits, which does not get shut down prematurely again or mired in attacks by people who dislike the company. It also seems likely that the Talk page has caught the attention of undisclosed conflict of interest editors who have posted Request Edits to remove any reference to multi-level-marketing on the page, without providing reliable sources. I hope the discussion can be monitored.
Please keep discussion to a minimum before being opened by a volunteer. Continue on article talk page if necessary.
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the dispute resolution noticeboard's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.