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Since versus From

Non-native English speakers writing in English Wikipedia repeatedly mangle our content's grammar in many ways, but one of the most common and brain-hurting mistakes for the native English speaker to read - and one of the easiest to fix - is the difference between 'since' and 'from'. Can someone make a WP tool that can go through all the Poland-related articles and search for the word "since" and end our torture please?

For example we say about Rafał Trzaskowski: Since 1995, he worked as a simultaneous translator and an English teacher.

For goodness sake, no he didn't.

The correct sentence is either (i) Since 1995, he has worked as a simultaneous translator and an English teacher. OR (ii) From 1995, he worked as a simultaneous translator and an English teacher.

The two have different meanings. I have lost count of the number of times it can be seen that non-native English speaker editors have inserted this 'since' mistake into our encyclopedia. Please let's sort it out and end the reader's suffering. And maybe one day we'll get round to an unpaid tutorial for non-native English editors about the advanced-level differences between "a" and "the". Happy New Year! -Chumchum7 (talk) 12:10, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Yes, those are annoying. But at least the meaning doesn't get mangled (1995 (or other year) is obviously not the reason so it's an error on the face of it with since). There are worst mistakes. It's complicated to automate as non-native English speakers vary based on their (possibly multiple) mother tongues. Polish-English is not the same as Russian-English or German-English. MozeTak (talk) 19:44, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
At least the meaning doesn't get mangled? The current meaning is that he currently works an English teacher, which he doesn't. It mangles it in the same way elsewhere. Given WP is alerted to words such as WP:CLAIM for MOS reasons, this Wikiproject has a duty to be alerted to bad English wrecking our work. -Chumchum7 (talk) 05:50, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
Sorry for "wrecking your work", Chumchum7 and thank you for your patronizing message.--Darwinek (talk) 22:55, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
Chumchum7, please do assume good faith, offer constructive criticism and contribute to positive atmosphere of discussion according to guidelines of Wikipedia. Personal attacks and comments such as "Non-native English (...) repeatedly mangle our content's grammar in many ways", "brain-hurting mistakes", "Please let's sort it out and end the reader's suffering" and "wrecking our work" are patronizing, down-putting and discouraging toward other editors, especially new users.

WikiProject Poland is, among others, a way for many Polish users to get involved in Wikipedia and share their knowledge of their country and history. Putting them and their efforts down as "brain-hurting" and "wrecking" because of language mistakes is disrespectful. I hope you can do better. --[[User:tkubisztal|tkubisztal]

Locality categorization by historical subdivisions

 – Pointer to relevant discussion elsewhere.

Your input about the categorization of settlements is requested at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#RfC: Locality categorization by historical subdivisions. Thank you, Renata (talk) 22:32, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Lists of Polish gminas

Please see Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Lists of Polish gminas where help with a lists problem is needed. Johnuniq (talk) 06:09, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Locator map for battles

Thanks to some help from Buidhe I figured out how to do it, see [1]. I think 99% of Polish battles miss this simple feature, if anyone has time to copy paste, go for it. For battles from other time periods, we might need to create variants of Module:Location map/data/Poland 1939. Maps can be found at pl:Moduł:Mapa/dane/Polska. Currently existing maps are at Category:Poland location map templates, but I think outside 1939 they are present-day locales, not historical. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:17, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the info on this neat feature. Hopefully we'll have it in more articles soon.--Darwinek (talk) 01:45, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Translation help

Hello,

I'm an editor who mostly works on video games, and am currently editing an article about the Polish video game Vampire: The Masquerade – Coteries of New York. Today, I came across a seven-minute radio interview with the game's designer, but it is only available in Polish, a language I do not speak. I understand that it is a big ask considering the length, but figured it would not hurt to post a thread here: is there anyone here who speaks Polish, who would want to help out with translating the interview into English?

I would of course be happy to do something in return, such as a peer review, good article review, etc, of an article you are working on. I would also be available to translate something of about the same length from Swedish to English, in case that is needed. If you want to take up my offer, please @ me, as I am not a regular at this WikiProject and may miss replies otherwise.

Thanks, AlexandraIDV 21:08, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

@Alexandra IDV: Quick dirty solution: you can try to use AI service to get a transcript, then MT it to English. But based on my experience, while latter part is getting very good, AI transcribing is still 50/50 hit/miss. Plus few services if any support Polish at this time. Since I am somewhat interested in this topic I listed to the podcast, so if you have any specific question I can try to answer if it was raised. Summary: first, introduction of V:TM world; and the concept of RPGs. They mention it is a famous franchise, mention a TV series from the 90s, older computer games from early 2000s, board games, mention the franchise was acquired by new owners who try to promote it even more. Then they mention how they got the contract, nothing special. They promise the game will try to fit within the expectation (theme, canon, etc.), and they try to balance pleasing old fans as well as people new to VTM. Since this is a relatively small project, the game will be closer to classic 'old' crpgs, with lots of text and such, rather than a big budget multimedia one like Witcher; for example compared to TW they focus more on the story aspect than action/combat. Their goal is to bring 'paper RPG' feeling to the video game world. He mentions names of few of their team, they also got a writer from Finland who worked on VTM paper RPG, Juhan something, didn't catch it. I think that's all, hope you find it useful. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:21, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
Cheers, it seems like there isn't too much new information then, but I am nonetheless grateful. I'll check the game's credits to confirm the spelling of that writer's name.--AlexandraIDV 00:21, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

B-class review requested: Stanisław Kot

Thanks in advance. How to do it? Just read the article, see if there are any issues, if not, update the assessment template on talk. TIA. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:06, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

FA review of Katyn massacre

I have nominated Katyn massacre for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Eisfbnore (会話) 07:37, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Musings on copyright

Anyone interested in copyright and Polish works may want to check pl:Wikipedia:Kawiarenka/Zasady#Prawa_autorskie_a_dziela_autorow_urodzonych_po_1946_r.; easy to machine translate or just follow the links to commons. Summary: are works of Polish artists who died 1946+ in PD in Poland but not in the USA (and so can't be on Commons?). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:59, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Proposed revision of naming style for Polish monarchs

The discussion involving Augustus II the Strong → Augustus the Strong and 15 other monarchs is currently active at Talk:Augustus II the Strong#Requested move 25 April 2020. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 22:43, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

I would also like to raise awareness concerning the names of Polish monarchs. I believe that for the benefit of the reader it would be appropriate to Anglicize (or Latinize) their names from Stanisław to Stanislaus, from Bolesław to Boleslaus etc. Latin was used then among the nobles and official documents so these versions of names were known. Other language Wikipedias have done so, for instance Nagy Lajos on English Wikipedia is presented as Louis I of Hungary and Vladislav Jagellonský as Vladislaus II of Hungary (per Czech/Hungarian standards, per Polish standards it should be Ladislaus). Moreover, all Polish rulers with the name "Kazimierz" have been anglicized to "Casimir" (Casimir the Great, Casimir the Restorer), making this somewhat uneven. Oliszydlowski (talk) 06:24, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
There is no reason to carry out massive renaming campaign. We have to stick to common usage. Nobody in their mind is going to Anglicize the names of all French monarchs, right? Staszek Lem (talk) 16:52, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
But... the names of all French monarchs but one are already anglicized. Surtsicna (talk) 19:28, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
Exactly! As I said, it is all for the benefit of the reader. Oliszydlowski (talk) 09:28, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

I'll review the above shortly, ping User:Nihil novi. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:00, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Contested material at Talk:Prószków

Hi, an IP user has mentioned that some content was inappropriate. They claim that the following book, in Polish:

  • F. Mainuš, Prószkowska manufaktura wyrobów fajansowych w latach 1769-1783, "Śląski Kwartalnik Historyczny Sobótka", 2, 1958, p. 224 (in Polish)

Has been misinterpreted due to some less than ideal translation (also citing some vague primary sources, which can't be verified, probably less so in the current situation...). If some of you speak Polish and have access to the above book to verify the material in the article that would be helpful since, well, my understanding of Polish is non-existent... RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 17:47, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Synching categories between Polish and English Wikipedia

This may be of interest to some. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:59, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

A Polish student writing an article assignment

You may be interested in reviewing User:KlaraSma/sandbox and leaving comments on her talk page (she is a Polish exchange student in a course I teach). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:40, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

I looked into it, and I think it will be a disaster. Happened many times. One should never give student assignments on such broad topics. Staszek Lem (talk) 21:00, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
BTW, Piotrus, I bet you forgot your own 2007 article, Anti-communist resistance in Poland :-) Staszek Lem (talk) 21:04, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
Why not?? I don’t understand.GizzyCatBella🍁 00:48, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
Exactly. You cannot possibly even start to understand how complex the subject is. What you wrote is a good start for a B.S. thesis, but not for an encyclopedia article. Good luck. Staszek Lem (talk) 01:44, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Very useful search engine for Polish academic articles

It does not have everything, but it does pick up some stuff that's not easy to find on Google Scholar: [2] Some old newspapers and books can also be found at [3]. There is also a list of Digital libraries of Poland at [4] but I don't think there is one integrated search engine, sigh. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:35, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for useful info. I personally like to use Silesian Digital Library. A great source not only for Silesian topics. They keep uploading new documents all the time too, so it is becoming quite robust. Soon we won't have to leave the house at all. (Not that we can now. :)) --Darwinek (talk) 23:56, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
I found one more good place to start: [5]. Maybe we should collect them on some subpage here.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:13, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Bogdan Gasiński

Could a Polish-speaker please take a look at Bogdan Gasiński? I tagged it as a hoax because of the extraordinary claims being made, but all of the references are in Polish, and I don't speak Polish. Stuartyeates (talk) 09:44, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

The man does exist and in 2016 he was serving a 38-year prison sentence [6], so these parts check out. I didn't verify the details, but on the whole it doesn't seem to be a hoax. — Kpalion(talk) 12:07, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
See Polish Wikipedia on Aleksander Makowski, Bogdan Gasiński subsection.Nyx86 (talk) 15:47, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
Can someone take a look at this news article [7] (warning: the site allows only a limited number of views per one IP), check if it really is from Gazeta Wyborcza, and which claims by Gasiński are mentioned in the article? Periwinklewrinkles (talk) 23:20, 18 June 2020 (UTC) [disclaimer: I'm the person who started the Wiki article]

All-Polish Youth

Hello, I would be grateful for any input into Talk:All-Polish Youth#"based on fascist doctrines" discussion as to seek a fair and balanced consensus. Abcmaxx (talk) 17:55, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 June 28#Danzig

 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 June 28#Danzig. Soumya-8974 talk contribs subpages 05:18, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

FAR for Witold Pilecki

I have nominated Witold Pilecki for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. (t · c) buidhe 17:52, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Need assistance with an AfD related to a Polish actress

Hello, I'm wondering if anyone can find any non-English sources showing notability for Barbara Gilewska. The article is at AfD and if sources exist it can be kept. The AfD is here Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Barbara Gilewska

Thanks for any help.   // Timothy :: talk  18:57, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Polish history question

I have asked a question at the Humanities reference desk regarding Polish historical figures on the Scots language Wikipedia (a, b) who don't have coverage on the English or Polish Wikipedias. Another one for you Polish history buffs...

I'm not sure if they're notable people or maybe even hoaxes. If I am wrong, sorry for my ignorance. --Bangalamania (talk) 02:07, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

@Bangalamania: Boith are fakes. Staszek Lem (talk) 02:55, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
@Staszek Lem: Thank you! I did suspect so. --Bangalamania (talk) 03:03, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Spelling of Kyiv

There’s a broad conversation about using different spellings of Kyiv in article titles in certain subjects, at talk:Kyiv#Related articles. This may affect some guidelines--67.175.201.50 (talk) 04:12, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Coat of arms of Pope John Paul II

Currently this is rediret to Marian Cross. What do You all think about creating separate article (there are articles for all modern popes: Coat of arms of Pope Benedict XVI and Coat of arms of Pope Francis but no Coat of arms of Pope John Paul II)? Yesterday Pope John Paul II happen to be pathron of Kalwaria Zebrzydowska ([8] - here is also interesing surce basen on which we could add more information: Urząd Miasta Kalwarii Zebrzydowskiej pracuje nad stworzeniem logo i identyfikacji wizualnej, wplatając w nią papieskie symbole). Also, how would You feel with creating new article Marian flague as we clready have like Christian flag etc.? All the best. Dawid2009 (talk) 18:27, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

@Dawid2009: It depends on whether there are sources to show those are notable topics. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:25, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Relevant RFC at Margot (activist)

There's a relevant RFC at Margot (activist) discussing how the deadname of Margot - a nonbinary Polish activist who has been relevant in the recent protests - should be used in the lead and in the article.

Gbear605 (talk) 16:28, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

1890's Polish history question - cross-posting

As the Reference Desk gets less traffic than it did at its peak, I thought it would be helpful to draw the attention of this WikiProject's editors (presumably including a few Polish history buffs) to the question I posted a few days ago regarding (Imperial Russian?) citizenship law in 1890's Poland and the expulsion of non-citizens from Congress Poland. I would appreciate any help, as this question has stymied my searching skills many times over the years. הסרפד (call me Hasirpad) 20:28, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

@הסרפד: This page also gets less traffic these days. Can you copy your question here since it was already archived there? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:25, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
@Piotrus: Why, thank you.
I wrote:
In the course of genealogical research, I've come across many casual references to the expulsion of "foreign" (non-Imperial Russian, I suppose) citizens from Congress Poland, with the examples I can find occurring around 1890–95. (The examples I've come across were Jewish Austria-Hungarian nationals—Rabbis from Galicia—but there is nothing in the source material suggesting that this expulsion targeted them uniquely.)
My questions are:
  1. Are there sources (contemporary or otherwise) that describe this occurrence as a whole: the legal basis, and its implementations and consequences?
  2. Where can I find information on how citizenship was defined at that time in Congress Poland?
Thanks! הסרפד (call me Hasirpad) 15:36, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
... basically, the approximate Polish analogue of the Prussian deportations of the same era. הסרפד (call me Hasirpad) 16:03, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
הסרפד, It'a tough question. I think there is research on that, but mostly on Polish, which means poorly digitized, and I don't think we have anyone active on English Wikipedia who actually has good access to a Polish library. Regarding (2) There may be something in this book: [9]. From [10], I got that the first law related to citizenship was a tsar's decree from 1815. I see some other snippets and such, but researching through snippets is a pain. Likewise, re (1). If you are asking whether Jews were deported en mass from the Congress Poland (to Austrio-Hungary?), I haven't heard of such incidents. In fact, what I see in the quick source search are generally references to Pale of Settlement and such - Jews were expelled from mainland Russia into the Congress Poland. That said, I am sure there were occasional explusions/exile of politically unwelcome individuals, see also Great Emigration. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:32, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
Thanks again, even just for asking! הסרפד (call me Hasirpad) 04:56, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
Piotrus: Thanks anyways! These are not referred to as mass deportations really; they only affected people born in Galicia (or whose parents were born in Galicia?), who were a minority even in the Jewish community in the Russian-controlled parts of Poland, even close to the border. (With rabbis it probably comes up more often, as they were more likely to relocate far from their place of birth.) הסרפד (call me Hasirpad) 20:02, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
I was going to write about same what Piotrus wrote, but since my answer was a "no-answer" and I do not see me as an expert in history, I decided not to write. Staszek Lem (talk) 23:59, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

An ambiguous link

According to Second Polish Republic, "A month before Germany surrendered on 11 November 1918 and the war ended, the Regency Council had dissolved the Council of State, and announced its intention to restore Polish independence (7 October 1918)." Council of State is a WP:SIA with no obviously relevant entry. Related articles such as pl:II Rzeczpospolita, Regency Council (Poland), pl:Rada Regencyjna and pl:Zamach stanu w Polsce (1918) give no help (I have no Polish, but Google Translate isn't too bad). I suspect something may have gone wrong in the editing - can any expert assist? Thanks in advance, Narky Blert (talk) 16:52, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Maciej Zieliński

Experienced editors are invited to dig through some reverted edits to this page for useful material which can improve this article. Discussion is at Talk:Maciej Zieliński#I had to revert a large potentially-rich set of edits due to promotional tone and copyright issues. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 22:26, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Iga Świątek

Hi! Could someone please help me to convince Fyunck(click) that Iga's name isn't pronounced "Sfee-on-teck"? He hears her name this way and reverts to his version of the page. (Edit summary: "I think it's pretty apparent")
Please join the discussion here: [deleted]. --Moscow Connection (talk) 11:16, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

As it turns out, there's already a discussion about this on the article's talk page:

If you decide to help, go straight there. --Moscow Connection (talk) 15:09, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Kosciuszko Uprising: Commonwealth or insurrect fighters and a few other issues

Hi, article about Kościuszko Uprising in it's infobot says that Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was the one to fight in the conflict, while in the note claiming that the insurrects/rebels were the ones to fight. Therefore I though maybe it should be changed to "Kościuszko insurrects" instead. But don't have enough knowlage about the event to change it without checking it with other people.

Also, about smaller stuff, I think that part with war leaders in infobox should mention only main onces (like on Polish version of article where only Kosciuszko one more person are mentioned there). But I don't know who was the main leader of Prussian forces, so if somebody knows it would be good to change that.

And finally the flag. As I see banner of 2nd Kraków Gradier Regiment is used as a symbol of the insurrects. The problem is that there's no good digital (.svg) version of the flag. It would be great if somebody could make one. TheEditMate (talk) 11:26, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Translation requested

Hi, I have a translation request and a question on a Polish-language source.

Elizium23, the first link above is dead, but I found the document in Wayback Machine. It's quite long, so I will only translate the fragments that are relevant to your discussion.

7. The local ordinary, having conducted a formal and legal verification of the declaration of intent to leave the Church, will ask the parson of the parish of the place of baptism (...) to make a record in the baptismal register to that effect.

(...)

10. The record in the baptismal register is to be made on the margin of the baptismal certificate in the following form: "On the day ... in the parish of ... in ... [he/she] made a formal declaration of intent to leave the Catholic Church." This note is to be henceforth always placed on the baptismal certificate.

11. No certificate confirming the fact of having left the Church is to be issued. The defector may receive a baptismal certificate with the note as described in point 10.

Simply put, your name is never removed from the baptismal register. Instead, a note is added, saying that you've decided to leave the Church. There's always the possibility of coming back (the details of this are described in the same document). Hope that helps. — Kpalion(talk) 00:35, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
Okay, looks good. Thank you. Elizium23 (talk) 00:42, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

"Polish death camp" controversy

Hello, I'm looking for some feedback about my comments regarding "Polish death camp" controversy. See here: Talk:"Polish_death_camp"_controversy#"Avoid_stating_opinions_as_facts" Thanks. —Naddruf (talk ~ contribs) 22:26, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

American pronunciation of Wałęsa?

Why does this need to be in the lead of Lech Wałęsa article - (/ˈlɛx vəˈwɛnsə, vɑːˈlɛnsə/;[1][2] Polish: [ˈlɛɣ vaˈwɛ̃sa] (About this soundlisten);[3] b ... I've never seen an American pronunciation option on any other bio. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:03, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

I don't see the English pronunciation to be marked as either American or British. — Kpalion(talk) 16:04, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
BTW, I double-checked the IPAs and I see footnotes are misplaced on pronunciations and IPAs do not match sources exactly. Please fix who is skilled in IPAs. Lembit Staan (talk) 17:23, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
@Kpalion: because the source is Merriam-Webster. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/walesa that's a US dictionary. I don't know that OED would have a British pronunciation. And BBC aims to pronounce names correctly. https://www.dictionary.com/browse/walesa seems to me to be just a bad attempt to give the Polish pronunciation. In ictu oculi (talk) 17:50, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
I'm lost. What's the problem exactly? — Kpalion(talk) 18:36, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Surname "Nebenzya" puzzle

Of little importance, but bugs me. I am pretty much sure that the surname originated as a Polish nickname derived from the expression "niebędzie" (archaic one-word spelling of "nie będzie", "will not be (doing something)". There are quite a few Polish surnames of this unusual derivations from verbs, see Polish name#Other, but this one is quite unusual even in this category. I failed to find any references so far. Any ideas where to look? Perhaps some old, non-digitized books? Lembit Staan (talk) 17:09, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Sikorski

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sikorski WTH? Lembit Staan (talk) 21:12, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Question about the source to make some changes in an article

Hello, I would like to ask if http://biznes.pap.pl/ is a reliable source to make changes in an article? Izefoa (talk) 15:43, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

  • @Izefoa: It comes from the national Polish Press Agency, meaning reasonably reliable as publisher. Still, the author and the article may have problems. Especially keeping in mind, with recent conservative government, it may have a right-wing bias, so the statements you want to use may be contestable. What is the article? Lembit Staan (talk) 21:32, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Gay Chopin?

Please see discussions at "Talk:Frédéric Chopin", "Talk:Tytus Woyciechowski", and "Talk:Waltzes, Op. 70 (Chopin)" about whether, as alleged in a Swiss TV program and in a related Guardian article, the 19-year-old Chopin may have been homosexual, as allegedly indicated by his correspondence with his friend Tytus Woyciechowski.

Nihil novi (talk) 04:39, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

Gmina

Input would be welcome at Talk:Gmina#Requested_move_7_December_2020. No such user (talk) 11:45, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Please help improve Poland

I've just downgraded this article down to C-class due to a lot of content being unreferenced. Now, it can be improved to B or GA without much need to write content - just verify and reference stuff. Please consider helping! --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:53, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Wrocław

I'd like to ask someone's help with reviewing Wrocław. I believe it is B class now --Andrei (talk) 08:44, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

@Andrew J.Kurbiko: Would love to help!  :) Oliszydlowski (talk) 09:15, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
I am absolutely unaware of all the project rules, but the template states that only "Coverage and accuracy: criterion not met". Its been like that for more than a year, and seems to be outdated? --88.156.139.244 (talk) 22:49, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
@Andrew J.Kurbiko: - It is. Moreover, I believe that some sections are missing citations and sources. Oliszydlowski (talk) 01:56, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
Andrew J.Kurbiko, I concur with what was said here, this is not B-class due to numerous unreferenced paragraphs. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:53, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Podlachian microlanguage

Hello. In my sandbox User:Akaberepl/sandbox I have prepared some additional information concerning Podlachian language.My intention is to enrich the existing article 'Podlachian microlanguage' with more details. Could you kindly review it and tell me if the edit is acceptable to be promoted to the above article. This is my very first edit for English wikipedia. I have made just two articles in Polish wikipedia: 'Jan Maksymiuk' and 'Mikrojezyk podlaski' which is a Polish version of 'Podlachian microlanguage' (being a subject of discussion now). Regards Akaberepl (talk) 20:32, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Akaberepl, Your expansion is helpful but please make sure all content you add is referenced to reliable sources. I see some unreferenced content in your sandbox. Each paragraph should have a reference. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:27, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

RFC Chopin

Please note there is an RfC at Talk:Frédéric Chopin#RFC: Chopin and Sexuality.--Smerus (talk) 13:49, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Jolanta Fedak

Hi there, the biography on Jolanta Fedak has been nominated to appear on the main page of English WP in the "recent deaths" section, however it would benefit from some more expansion. If anyone here is able to look over the Polish-language sources and add any additional detail to the article, that would be appreciated! Thanks and Happy New Year! MurielMary (talk) 11:59, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Problematic editing at Law and Justice article

‎Small Bayonet is making many changes there that do not correspond to reliable sources, as I noted on User_talk:Small_Bayonet; they are removing the characterization as nationalist based on their own WP:OR despite the fact that many sources describe the party this way, and inserting a left-wing characterization that is not supported by most sources. (t · c) buidhe 10:43, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

what? I gave many, many sources that confirm the fact, that economically PiS is centro-leftist. It's obvious fact. They are socially right wing, but economically - centre-left. Also - PiS isn't nationalist, party itself has shown its antinationalist nature, Kaczyński founded his party AGAINST NATIONALISTS. Also, most of the proffessional sources doesn't admit, that PiS is nationalist, I do not care about Guardian or Washington Post, beacause authors have clearly no knowledge about it, and are calling PiS nationalist only beacause they have SOME POLICIES nationalist. They are not nationalist as a whole, the nationalist element split from the party in 2012, forming Solidarna Polska. The party itself is a succesor of Sanacja. https://www.dlapolski.pl/dlaczego-pis-nienawidzi-narodowcow, https://kulturaliberalna.pl/2018/11/12/sawczuk-marsz-niepodleglosci-pis-komentarz/. Party is associated with sionist organizations and supports integration within NATO. Most of the PROFFESSIONAL sources say, that even though PiS have some nationalist policies, it isn't nationalist as a whole. Small Bayonet 12:11, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Rfc notice for 2020–21 women's strike protests in Poland

Invitation to participate and comment at Talk:2020–21 women's strike protests in Poland#Undue weight from weak source. Abcmaxx (talk) 00:50, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Finishing an article for a DYK

If anyone would be interested in getting a nice DYK, due to reasons, I am stopping my work on a half-finished draft at Ćmielów Porcelain Factory. I am sure that you could use a source like this to expand the article to meet the DYK size requirements. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 00:53, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

I could try my hand, if it's completable before Friday, 5 February, when I will be off for a couple of days.
Nihil novi (talk) 07:59, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
Nihil novi, Thanks! It shouldn't be too hard. In fact, the current article is already at 259 words, which makes it not a stub, but a bit more would be good to do justice to the article. On the subjects of DYKs in general, here's a way to make the previously cumbersome procedure very easy. First, in your Preferencs>Gadgets, enable the 'Install scripts without having to edit JavaScript files' option. Then grab this script: User:SD0001/DYK-helper. Now you can nominate a DYK from the pull-down menu in any article (the menu is under the 'more' heading, to the right of the watchlist star). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:24, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
Are all those manipulations carried out before editing the article – or after editing and before submitting to DYK?
Nihil novi (talk) 09:22, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
Nihil novi, Installing the scripts is a one-time action you should take before submitting it to a DYK (assuming you want to use said tools for the submission, you can also to it the 'old school' way as described at WP:DYKN). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 13:32, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

RS: Polish media

Invitation to join the following discussions:

Abcmaxx (talk) 00:42, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Maurycy Cyril Trybuslki

Greetings! I recently submitted for review a page about Professor Maurycy Trybuslki, a polish academic and founder of the Związek Kynologiczny w Polsce. I'd appreciate if anyone would be interested in reading it, I'm not a native english speaker so my main concern is the writing style: (Draft:Maurycy Trybulski). Thank you, Artafinde (talk) 13:37, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Artafinde, Thank you. If nobody does it sooner, please ping me in March and I'll review it then. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:00, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
Thank you, I've seen that Lembit_Staan has been so kind to edit and review it. Thank you very much. Artafinde (talk) 14:52, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

Notice of RFC: Poland as predecessor/successor in Nazi Germany infobox

Participation welcome at Talk:Nazi Germany#RFC: Poland as predecessor/successor in Nazi Germany infobox. Levivich harass/hound 16:25, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

RM discussion on German–Polish Non-Aggression Pact

This RM discussion may be of interest to people on this project. FOARP (talk) 14:02, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

This is just a note to say that this discussion has been relisted for further discussion. FOARP (talk) 09:36, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Notification

Hi - members of this project may be familiar with the sourcing restriction in the topic area of Polish history in the Second World War, described at WP:APLRS. I have raised a request for clarification on the wording of the restriction, interested parties are welcome to comment here. GirthSummit (blether) 19:21, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Girth Summit, Thank you for notifying the WikiProject, I think this is a very important issue. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:27, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Recent vandalism

I do not known if this is the right place to post this, however, all articles of Polish cities have been recently vandalised by a gang of IPs and it's out of control. Dozens of sites have been vandalised and many more will be without protection. If anyone has some spare time and would be willing to go over the "Notable persons" sections in articles relating to Polish cities/towns that would be much appreciated. Thank you. I am also unsure on whether to request an increase in protection levels; after all it wouldn't be permanent. Oliszydlowski (talk) 10:28, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Oliszydlowski, Could you link some diffs? It may be better to report this to WP:AN or such. I recall few weeks ago there was something similar going on, some sort of teenager meme 'add yourself to Wikipedia's notable section for your hometown' or whatever. Maybe it now came to Poland? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:47, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Women in Red Europe contest

After successfully completing our Asia and Africa contests over the past six months, we now welcome contributions to our Women in Europe contest which runs for three separate months from April to June 2021. To qualify for the contest, articles have to contain at least 160 words or 1,000 characters of running text and participants need to be members of Women in Red. We look forward to lots of new biographies of women from Poland.--Ipigott (talk) 06:28, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Administrative changes in Poland in 2021

Good day, fellow Project colleagues. I am here with some news on the administrative changes in Poland, set to be effective on 1 January 2021. The changes are moreless in the spirit of what's happening nearly every year on 1 January. It is a bit longer, sorry for that.

Some of the changes in a nutshell:

  • Probably the most prominent change is the renaming of Jelenia Góra County to Karkonosze County.
    • The article will have to be moved, as well as the corresponding templates. Links and all mentions to Jelenia Góra County should be revised to Karkonosze County throughout hundreds of articles. The latter sounds like a job for a bot.
  • Ten (10) villages will be elevated to town status - Kamieniec Ząbkowicki, Goraj, Kamionka, Sochocin, Wiskitki, Solec nad Wisłą, Dubiecko, Wodzisław, Budzyń and Koźminek. This will bring the total number of towns in Poland to 954.
    • All the articles mentioned above should be edited to reflect the fact. Changes will have to be made also to related templates and articles.
    • We should make sure that the subcategories of the Category:Cities and towns in Poland contains 954 articles per above.
  • Gmina Sitkówka-Nowiny will be renamed to Gmina Nowiny.
    • The article will have to be moved, as well as the corresponding templates. All links and mentions should be revised to Gmina Nowiny. -  Done--Darwinek (talk) 23:21, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
  • Gmina Bodzanów will change its administrative seat to Chodkowo.
    • The gmina article and template should be revised, as well as the articles of Bodzanów and Chodkowo. -  Done--Darwinek (talk) 01:13, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Pogwizdów Nowy will cease to be an independent village, and will be incorporated to Rzeszów.
    • The article should be deleted from the relevant gmina article and template. It should be also edited to reflect the change. -  Done--Darwinek (talk) 02:17, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Styków will cease to be an independent village, and will be incorporated to Głogów Małopolski.
    • The article should be deleted from the relevant gmina article and template. It should be also edited to reflect the change. -  Done--Darwinek (talk) 01:04, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Sources:

As you can see, it's quite a lot of work. I will try to work on that in January piece by piece. Is anyone interested to help out with this mini-project?

Thank you and Wszystkiego Dobrego w Nowym Roku! - Darwinek (talk) 01:46, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Darwinek, Thank you for finding and fixing this issue! Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:50, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

"A Negress" or "Murzynka"

The discussion at Talk:A Negress#Requested move 27 March 2021 may be of interest. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 13:19, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Szlachta

also Talk:Szlachta. In appears that nearly nobody from wppolonia cares about the subject. I repeatedly asked about third opinion in several taslk sections, but mostly it is between me and another editor with WP:OWN attitude immediately reverting my edits and putting walls of text in talk page when challenged.

If the community does not participate, who I am to want more and I am removing szlachta from my watchlist for 2 months; not worth my mental health :-) Lembit Staan (talk) 19:09, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

It seems it is solved now. Thanks for not giving up. :)--Darwinek (talk) 02:36, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
No it is not. This user keeps pumping bullshit his own interpretations into the article: More precisely, the szlachta were not a nobility nor a gentry, but an electorate. Really? I keep repeating that edits of this user must be monitored. Lembit Staan (talk) 16:25, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
I revert your edits because your edits are knee-jerk and idiotic. The secondary sources show you know nothing. Quoting Adam Zamoyski (1998) [1987]. THE POLISH WAY: A THOUSAND-YEAR HISTORY OF THE POLES AND THEIR CULTURE (Fourth Printing ed.). New York City, NEW YORK, U.S.A.: Hippocrene Books. p. 55. ISBN 0-7818-0200-8. "One cannot substitute the terms 'nobility' or 'gentry' for szlachta because it had little in common with those classes in other European countries either in origin, composition or outlook."
I did not say that. The secondary source states that, but nice try to round up a posse, despite me telling you to take it to talk where you lost the debate.
ELECTORATE - Davies, Ivor Norman Richard; Dawson, Andrew Hutchinson; Jasiewicz, Krzysztof; Kondracki, Jerzy Aleksander; Wandycz, Piotr Stefan (2 June 2017). "Poland". Encyclopædia Britannica. p. 15. Retrieved 24 April 2021. "Ranging from the poorest landless yeomen to the great magnates, the szlachta insisted on the equality of all its members. As a political nation it was more numerous (8–10 percent) than the electorate of most European states even in the early 19th century."
So, because the great Lembit Staan does not comprehend history, or law, he is going to cry about ELECTORATE, when it is common knowledge the szlachta elected their king. That is called an ELECTORATE, (Royal elections in Poland) hence, why your knee-jerk, ill-conceived edits are idiotic.
So, what you are bitching and moaning about is the fact you're publicly being shown you do not know what you're editing about, and when you PERSONALLY do not agree with something you DO NOT UNDERSTAND, or ever considered, you just knee-jerk delete, and start flinging accusations of original research and synth, and stumble right through the secondary sources, and pick yourself and keep going, then you try to round up a posse to support your half-assed, knee-jerk edits. I told you to take it to talk. You ran away. Then you come here and try to round up a posse.
You knee-jerk editors who think anything on Wikipedia regarding Poland is your personal fiefdom get stopped dead in your tracks by the secondary sources. Then, you try to round up your little clique, but fail.
Stay away for good, Lembit Staan, because you do more harm than good with your limited capacity to read English and comprehend what the secondary sources state. - Exxess (talk) 08:17, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Further: "Some elements of the Polish state paralleled the Roman Empire[28][27] in that full rights of citizenship were limited to the szlachta.[13][12] Rome devoted its attention nearly exclusively to agriculture.[50] Old Poland devoted itself almost exclusively to agriculture.[51] " WHF is this if not WP:SYNTH (2nd+3rd sentences trying to suggest more similarities between Roma ad Poland while neither ref cited does such thing)? Not to say that after the iron age and before industrial revolution everybody in Europe "devoted almost exclusively to agriculture", i.e., this comparison is stupid. See Talk:Szlachta#WP::SYNTH and revert war by Exxess. Lembit Staan (talk) 16:25, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Another false, half-assed, knee-jerk claim. Knee-jerk, deleting editor hates his edits being challenged. I think his edits do far more harm than good. Most of the szlachta article, I did not write. I did not create the article. I added to it.
Do the world a favor, Lembit Staan, and stay away from this article, which is too complex for your limited powers of comprehension, and inability to READ the secondary sources cited. This is what I see from Lembit Staan - a secondary source asserts something this editor never considered, so he knee-jerk deletes a sentence based on it, then cries SYNTH and ORIGINAL RESEARCH when his edit is challenged.
ROME, secondary source; Boswell, Alexander Bruce (1919). POLAND AND THE POLES (GOOGLE EBOOK). New York City, NEW YORK, U.S.A.: Dodd, Mead and Company. p. 47. "... through all modern Polish history it was Roman republicanism that formed the ideal of the republican gentry. The Roman precedent was even quoted to justify serfdom, which was a modified form of Roman slavery."
Davies, Ivor Norman Richard; Dawson, Andrew Hutchinson; Jasiewicz, Krzysztof; Kondracki, Jerzy Aleksander; Wandycz, Piotr Stefan (2 June 2017). "Poland". Encyclopædia Britannica. p. 15. Retrieved 4 June 2017. "Throughout most of Europe the medieval system of estates evolved into absolutism, but in the Commonwealth it led to a szlachta democracy inspired by the ideals of ancient Rome, to which parallels were constantly drawn."
You, Lembit Staan, cannot stand being challenged on your idiotic, knee-jerk deletions. There is not ONE THING you have bitched and moaned about where the secondary sources and the obvious contradict you. - Exxess (talk) 08:56, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

"The szlachta deliberately avoided becoming a feudal nobility, with its attendant titles. In 1459 Ostroróg presented a memorandum to the Sejm (Senate), submitting palatines, or Voivodes of the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth, receive the title of prince. Sons of the prince were to receive titles of counts and barons. Castellans of the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth were to receive the title of count. All these submissions were rejected.[26]"

Another original research. The first sentence is editor's dubious opinion based on the subsequent example.
The article is littered with this kind of original research. Lembit Staan (talk) 16:36, 24 April 2021 (UTC)\
Adam Zamoyski (1998) [1987]. THE POLISH WAY: A THOUSAND-YEAR HISTORY OF THE POLES AND THEIR CULTURE (Fourth Printing ed.). New York City, NEW YORK, U.S.A.: Hippocrene Books. p. 24. ISBN 0-7818-0200-8. "Polish society had evolved from clannish structures, and the introduction of Christianity and all that went with it did not alter these significantly. The feudal system which regulated society all over Europe was never introduced into Poland, and this fact cannot be stressed too heavily."
Do you comprehend English? READ the secondary source. There is NO original research, there is only you, mercifully free of comprehension. Zamoyski: "The feudal system which regulated society all over Europe was never introduced into Poland, and this fact cannot be stressed too heavily."
READ THE ENGLISH, knee-jerk, deleting editor: Feudal system never introduced into Poland. This FACT cannot be stressed TOO HEAVILY. See above.
A lot of ego, very little comprehension, Lembit Staan. Take it to talk. Read the secondary sources. Adam Zamoyski: Feudal system NEVER introduced into Poland. This FACT cannot be stressed TOO HEAVILY.
Per your accusations concerning me, here is my opinion of you, Lembit Staan. Get off your high horse, and get in the mud and read the secondary sources. You do more harm than good. - Exxess (talk) 08:26, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
Lembit Staan, you have a FUNDAMENTAL misunderstanding about SYNTH. A Wikipedia article is a SYNTHESIS of assertions based on secondary sources. Who cares what YOU think because the SYNTHESIS of the secondary sources eludes your limited comprehension?
The szlachta ELECTED their kings. And here you are bitching and moaning about "ELECTORATE". That is what an ELECTORATE does. It elects, like the szlachta ELECTED their kings. So, it is back to square one, for you, Lembit Staan. Obviously, you cannot grasp the fundamentals. Anything beyond that, forget it, like the SYNTHESIS that occurs in a Wikipedia article. You have big misunderstanding of the basics. - Exxess (talk) 08:33, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

The section "Etymology" is overblown with stuff not really related to etymology. I suggested a separate section for his kind of stuff, "Peculiarities of szlachta compared to other nobilities", but everybody DGAF, and I am alone not going to fight with the page owner. Lembit Staan (talk) 16:36, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Pinging @Piotrus: who might be interested in the above.--Darwinek (talk) 00:06, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

<sigh> For God's sake, really? Nobody has a say against all this illogical rambling? Shall I file WP:RFC for very nonsense this guy introduced? (Coming back there in 2 months). Lembit Staan (talk) 19:27, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Pal, (Lembit Staan) you want to talk bullshit and nonsense, so let's demonstrate yours - stubbornness loses arguments. Address the secondary sources and the facts. So far, zero clarification from you - nothing but cheap shots, bullshit, and name calling, but it is amusing watching the facts, the secondary sources, your self-contradictions, and your half-assed edits crush your false claims.
Source 01 - Quoting Adam Zamoyski (1998) [1987]. THE POLISH WAY: A THOUSAND-YEAR HISTORY OF THE POLES AND THEIR CULTURE (Fourth Printing ed.). New York City, NEW YORK, U.S.A.: Hippocrene Books. p. 55. ISBN 0-7818-0200-8. "One cannot substitute the terms 'nobility' or 'gentry' for szlachta because it had little in common with those classes in other European countries either in origin, composition or outlook."
Source 02 - Roman Dmowski (1917). "Poland, Old And New". In Duff, James Duff (ed.). RUSSIAN REALITIES & PROBLEMS. Cambridge, East of England, ENGLAND, UNITED KINGDOM: Cambridge University Press. pp. 91–92. "The clan system survived in this way throughout the whole of Polish history. It is evident that the warrior class in Poland had quite a different origin and a different legal and social position from that of the feudal nobility of Western Europe."
Source 03 - Adam Zamoyski (1998) [1987]. THE POLISH WAY: A THOUSAND-YEAR HISTORY OF THE POLES AND THEIR CULTURE (Fourth Printing ed.). New York City, NEW YORK, U.S.A.: Hippocrene Books. p. 24. ISBN 0-7818-0200-8. "The feudal system which regulated society all over Europe was never introduced into Poland, and this fact cannot be stressed too heavily." (except to Lembit Staan, who has unlimited powers of knee-jerk deletions without discussion, but very limited powers of comprehending the secondary sources, and fights facts with half-assed assertions, thereby leading to nonsense like, (paraphrasing) "This guy thinks he owns the Szlachta article. This is WP:SYNTH, this is original research." Wrong, you cannot read.
Source 04 - You, Lembit Staan; 'I reverted the page move of TheEditMate because it was accompanied with brainless replacement of the word "szlachta" with "nobility" in the article,' - Talk:Szlachta/Archive 3#Requested_move_13_April_2021, in a debate where there was consensus NOT to entitle the Szlachta article "Polish nobility" because there is a distinction, made clear in the secondary sources cited above.
Source 05 - "More precisely, the szlachta were not a nobility nor a gentry, but an electorate". Lembit Staan writes, "Really? I keep repeating that edits of this user must be monitored."
Yeah, REALLY - See Royal elections in Poland where the szlachta elected their kings. That is an electorate. A Wikipedia ARTICLE is a synthesis of assertions supported by secondary sources. That is NOT WP:SYNTH and original research, but rather, your lack of comprehension making those claims.
You have a primordial misunderstanding regarding facts, which requires countering your knee-jerk deletions and crap with forthrightness.
Pal, here is some advice for you - do not fight facts and secondary sources with stubbornness and knee-jerk deletions. You do more harm than good. - Exxess (talk) 20:26, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
This is my very last answer to you: I do not contest sources, I am contesting your highly dubious interpretation of them. Lembit Staan (talk) 00:03, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
To whom it may concern: a logical blunder:
More precisely, the szlachta were not a nobility nor a gentry, but an electorate.
Yes, szlachta was electorate. But being electorate is not a definition of szlachta: szlachta had rights to elect King because they were ... er szlachta and got their powerful rights; and not because some bunch of people became electorate and started calling themselves szlachta. If one objects equating the terms szlachta and nobility, even more stupid to equate terms szlachta and electorate. Historians may write "szlachta were Polish nobility", some wrote in the past "szlachta were Polish gentry", but I have never seen a definition "Szlachta was Polish electorate". The transposed statement is true: "Polish electorate were szlachta", but the two sentences are not equivalent.
And I am not even mentioning chronological blunders. Lembit Staan (talk) 00:17, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
Lembit Staan, what is dubious is you contradicting the obvious. You are wasting time with trifles and the immaterial. At first I was questioning your intelligence. Now I am questioning your sanity. You are demanding an absolute, literal, word-for-word, plagiarism re-statement in an article of what a secondary source states.
Source 06 - Davies, Ivor Norman Richard; Dawson, Andrew Hutchinson; Jasiewicz, Krzysztof; Kondracki, Jerzy Aleksander; Wandycz, Piotr Stefan (2 June 2017). "Poland". Encyclopædia Britannica. p. 15. Retrieved 24 April 2021. "Ranging from the poorest landless yeomen to the great magnates, the szlachta insisted on the equality of all its members. As a political nation it was more numerous (8–10 percent) than the electorate of most European states even in the early 19th century."
Notice THE SECONDARY SOURCE COMPARING the szlachta as a political nation to THE ELECTORATE of most European states. The szlachta elected their kings. They are therefore an electorate and always were. Read Royal elections in Poland and read it carefully. "The tradition of electing the country's ruler, which occurred either when there was no clear heir to the throne, or to confirm the heir's appointment, dates to the very beginning of Polish statehood."'
You, making knee-jerk comments and deletions about YOU never heard this and YOU never thought that means nothing. Cite a secondary source and stick to the facts. Wikipedia served its purpose - Lembit Staan learned something new.
Here is what is extremely dubious - calling the szlachta a "nobility" and a "gentry" on an English-speaking Wikipedia, with a lot of articles about FEUDAL nobility, which makes people think the szlachta were a FEUDAL NOBILITY like in England. The szlachta is NOT a feudal nobility. Not because I said so. I do not care. I am irrelevant. That is what the secondary sources state because that is the fact. So, since you have never seen what the secondary sources are telling you, read them.
The szlachta did not hold their land in feudal tenure. They are not a feudal nobility. The szlachta elected their kings. They are an electorate. In a republic: Most Serene Republic of Poland, Serenissima Res Publica Poloniae.
Source 07 - Skwarczyński, Paweł (June 1956). "The Problem of Feudalism in Poland up to the Beginning of the 16th Century". The Slavonic and East European Review. Salisbury House, Station Road, Cambridge, Cambridgeshire county, ENGLAND: Modern Humanities Research Association. 34 (83): 298. JSTOR 4204744. "The resistance to the royal policy was so strong however that by far the greater part of the land was held by the knights as allodial, not as feudal property, which is in striking contrast to the land conditions in England."
Source 01 - Quoting Adam Zamoyski (1998) [1987]. THE POLISH WAY: A THOUSAND-YEAR HISTORY OF THE POLES AND THEIR CULTURE (Fourth Printing ed.). New York City, NEW YORK, U.S.A.: Hippocrene Books. p. 55. ISBN 0-7818-0200-8. "One cannot substitute the terms 'nobility' or 'gentry' for szlachta because it had little in common with those classes in other European countries either in origin, composition or outlook."
Source 03 - Adam Zamoyski (1998) [1987]. THE POLISH WAY: A THOUSAND-YEAR HISTORY OF THE POLES AND THEIR CULTURE (Fourth Printing ed.). New York City, NEW YORK, U.S.A.: Hippocrene Books. p. 24. ISBN 0-7818-0200-8. "The feudal system which regulated society all over Europe was never introduced into Poland, and this fact cannot be stressed too heavily."
Source 02 - Roman Dmowski (1917). "Poland, Old And New". In Duff, James Duff (ed.). RUSSIAN REALITIES & PROBLEMS. Cambridge, East of England, ENGLAND, UNITED KINGDOM: Cambridge University Press. pp. 91–92. "The clan system survived in this way throughout the whole of Polish history. It is evident that the warrior class in Poland had quite a different origin and a different legal and social position from that of the feudal nobility of Western Europe."
You made a knee-jerk deletion of the Roman Dmowski secondary source, and made some kind of statement about the secondary source being outdated or obsolete. Facts do not become obsolete or outdated. History is based on facts. 2 + 2 = 4 is immortal.
You made statements about "bullshit" and "nonsense" and "illogical" and this guy "needs to be watched." Read the secondary sources. You are the threat to the facts, Lembit Staan, because you are knee-jerk deleting without reading the sources, and you are a threat to understanding the subject. The facts deserve better treatment.
Also, the szlachta are present from the beginning of Polish history. They are the foundation of statehood. Get the szlachta wrong, and you get everything wrong about Poland. Dmowski - "The clan system survived in this way throughout the whole of Polish history." You deleted that secondary source. I challenged you on that deletion.
Source 04 - You, Lembit Staan; 'I reverted the page move of TheEditMate because it was accompanied with brainless replacement of the word "szlachta" with "nobility" in the article,' - Talk:Szlachta/Archive 3#Requested_move_13_April_2021, in a debate where there was consensus NOT to entitle the Szlachta article "Polish nobility" because there is a distinction, made clear in the secondary sources cited above.
That is the only statement you have made thus far that is factually correct. - Exxess (talk) 02:09, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
Lembit Staan, you write, " I do not contest sources, I am contesting your highly dubious interpretation of them."
Contest this interpretation. You falsely claim "original research".
"The szlachta deliberately avoided becoming a feudal nobility, with its attendant titles." In 1459 Ostroróg presented a memorandum to the Sejm (Senate), submitting palatines, or Voivodes of the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth, receive the title of prince. Sons of the prince were to receive titles of counts and barons. Castellans of the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth were to receive the title of count. All these submissions were rejected."
Lembit Staan writes, "Another original research. The first sentence is editor's dubious opinion based on the subsequent example. The article is littered with this kind of original research. Lembit Staan (talk) 16:36, 24 April 2021 (UTC)\"
Here is exactly what the source says. Contest the so-called "dubious interpretation" and "original research." First thing to notice is the title of the secondary source - "The Problem of Feudalism in Poland up to the Beginning of the 16th Century". You write, "The first sentence is editor's dubious opinion based on the subsequent example." The first sentence is, "The szlachta deliberately avoided becoming a feudal nobility, with its attendant titles."
Source 08 - Skwarczyński, Paweł (June 1956). "The Problem of Feudalism in Poland up to the Beginning of the 16th Century". The Slavonic and East European Review. Salisbury House, Station Road, Cambridge, Cambridgeshire county, ENGLAND: Modern Humanities Research Association. 34 (83): 302. JSTOR 4204744. "In 1459 Ostroróg submitted a memorandum to the parliament (sejm), suggesting that the palatines, or provincial governors, should be given the title of prince and their sons the titles of barons and counts. The title of count was suggested by him for a castellanus. But all these suggestions were not accepted. The composition of the king's council provides another distinction between the system in Poland and regular feudal systems elsewhere."
There is no dubious "interpretation" or so-called "original research." If the secondary source was stated LITERALLY in the article, with no so-called "dubious interpretation" and so-called "original research", then we have what is called plagiarism. I am saying the same thing the secondary source said using my own words. All of Ostroróg suggestions for emulating a titled feudal nobility were rejected = "The szlachta deliberately avoided becoming a feudal nobility, with its attendant titles." Secondary source - "The Problem of Feudalism", "another distinction between the system in Poland and regular feudal systems elsewhere."
Lembit Staan, I think you are the one with the dubious interpretation. A Wikipedia ARTICLE is a SYNTHESIS of statements supported by secondary sources. That is not WP:SYNTH, or "original research," but go ahead, contest away. Overgeneralized statement from Lembit Staan, "The article is littered with this kind of original research. Lembit Staan (talk) 16:36, 24 April 2021 (UTC)\"
No, the article is not. You learned something new, that's all. Looks like it gave you a headache. And this Lembit Staan writes, "For God's sake, really?" For God's sake, you are really trying to contest the obvious and facts. - Exxess (talk) 03:16, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
This is primarily a behavioral issue, and as such, I've reported it to ANI: Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Very_inappropriate_attitude_on_talk_(violates_NPA,_CIV,_BATTLEGROUND). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:01, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Category:Recipients of the Order of the White Eagle (Poland) was deleted - I started a discussion about undeleting it

Interested editors may want to comment here: Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2021_May_7#Category:Recipients_of_the_Order_of_the_White_Eagle_(Poland). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:42, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Highest railway in Poland?

If you know the answer, make sure to add it to relevant wiki pages, especially to List of highest railways by country. Thanks! Zach (Talk) 21:14, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Done, it's Izera railway (railway no. 311). Grawiton (talk) 15:37, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Help with the 2021 Polish census

Hello, I was noticed by a friend that Poland recently allowed ethnic Aromanians (they are called Arumuni in Polish) in the country to declare their ethnicity as such. However, I have only been able to find a Reddit post about this which cites this page as a source [11]. I understand it's the official page of the 2021 Polish census, but I haven't been able to find any mention to the Aromanians there or anywhere else.

Maybe a Polish speaker would be able to find something else that I missed. Also, should I wait until the census results are out to mention in any Wikipedia page that Aromanians are now allowed to declare their ethnicity in Poland? Please ping me if you reply and thanks in advance. Super Ψ Dro 22:30, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

@Super Dromaeosaurus: This is just a minor hype by ignorants. In fact the previous Polish census of 2011 gave a possibility to enter any ethnicity whatsoever by entering it manually into an edit field, in addition to selection lists. I am lazy to search more, but a certain summary 2011 results lists (1) people using aromanian language at home (their number is specified as "1-99") and (b) people who consider aromanian as their native tongue (their number is specified as "100-199"). Heck, they even list Aymara language :-) Unfortunately the table by ethnicity is w less complete, although it lists exactly 200 ethnicities and lumps quite a few into "unclassified" (over 3,600 persons), not to say about "undeclared" (even less).
The mentioned reddit post shows a screenshot with the aromanian language in the drop-down list.Lembit Staan (talk) 23:20, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
Lembit Staan thanks for the extra info! Do you know if there are more detailed results of the census? Super Ψ Dro 21:30, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
Nevermind, I tried to look for more detailed results and I think these are the most detailed data available about that part of the census. Super Ψ Dro 21:50, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Warsaw radio mast GAN—help needed

It looks like the nominator is struggling to complete addressing the issues for this Good article nomination, any help is appreciated before I fail the article in a day or two. Amitchell125 (talk) 16:29, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Sigismund III Vasa

Hi there!

Just letting you know fellow Wikipedians that I have nominated Sigismund III Vasa for a good article status. I have been tirelessly working on it for the past few months. Your opinion, reviews and comments are more than welcome. Feel free to contribute and repair any flaws/grammar mistakes if there are any. Warmest Regards. Oliszydlowski (talk) 14:13, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Józef Arkusz

Hi all. Here's another 1995 Polish biography that needs referencing.4meter4 (talk) 04:21, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Update, I found two excellent sources and added them to the article, so it's no longer completely unsourced. Piotrus, would you mind looking to see if you can find a source for his specific date of death? I can verify the year just not the day. Thanks in advance for your help if you are able. Best.4meter4 (talk) 14:27, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Source for date of death for Tadeusz Anders

Hi all. I am currently working on expanding by adding and sourcing all articles in Category:1995 deaths. I can't seem to find a source for Tadeusz Anders's death date from those listed in the article, but then I don't read Polish. Any assistance would be appreciated. Please ping me as this page is not on my watchlist. Best.4meter4 (talk) 21:36, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

4meter4, I thinkI found a ref: [12]. It's a snippet, but it says that a Tadeusz was born in Błonie in 1992 and died in 1995. The same source also mentions this work [13] (which doesn't seem to be online). It's almost certain that the Tadeusz from that snippet is Anders, since it also mentions his brothers by first name and date (Karol and Władysław). The snippet comes from the biography of Władysław Anders. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:38, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
Thank for searching, but I am actually looking for a source to verify the specific date of death, July 7, 1995, which is what is stated in the article. Deaths in 1995 is organized by the month and day of the year in which people died. I appreciate you trying.4meter4 (talk) 13:46, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

Try to contact Wojskowe Biuro Historyczne directly. They have a 25th annversary of death post at facebook (which unfortrunately is not a RS for us) Lembit Staan (talk) 19:38, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

I may do that. Do you think they would be able to communicate in English?4meter4 (talk) 14:29, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
Just in case we can translate your message here. Frankly, Google Translate for English to Polish and vice versa these days should be more than sufficient anyway. Not that an email confirmation would be of much use, RS-wise. I'll try to see if any source mentions the month and day soon. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:02, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
I meant to ask about printed sources (online we can search ourselves, right?). Lembit Staan (talk) 19:17, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
Got it. Same source as before, p.227, "Tadeusza ( zmarł 7 VII 1995 r . w Bronxville , Nowy Jork , Stany Zjednoczone Ameryki , pochowany w Doylestown" - even gives us place of death and burial. FYI, if you didn't know, Polish way of writing dates often involves roman numerals for months - try that as part of your search (I got the hit for this query: "Tadeusz Anders" 7.VII.1995 Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:28, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Black Death in Poland

Hello! I'm expanding an article I recently created, Black Death in Poland, but I'm unable to find any sources with specific numbers in regions and cities, only rough, broad estimates regarding the entire country. In addition the grand majority of the sources on this article aren't from Poland and it could be helpful to use more from the country it regards. Would anyone be able to help with it with this in mind or is it too muddled for either? NekomancerJaidyn (talk) [she/her] 03:27, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

And you will not find any. The documents from that times in Poland are extremely scarce and for a long time it was thought that the first, devastating wave of plague omitted Poland. Only in modern days this opinion was rejected, but only based on indirect evidence, available with modern archaeological and statistical research methods (like, measuring reforestation, production or cereals based on pollen amounts, workforce scarcity, etc.). Some Polish sources may be found in pl:Czarna śmierć. Lembit Staan (talk) 03:41, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Source of death date for Andrzej Alexiewicz

Hi all. Here is a another Polish biography I am having trouble finding a source for the date of death. Deaths in 1995 is sorted by day of the year, so I really need a source verifying a specific day, not just the year 1995. If you are able to help, I appreciate it. Also the external links in this article do not work, so the article is essentially unsourced. This might be a good project for someone in this WikiProject to work on. Thank you in advance.4meter4 (talk) 16:26, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

That didn't require more than two seconds. Not that I mind helping, but simple Google Books query '"Andrzej Alexiewicz" 1995' for gave this as one of the first results "Andrzej Alexiewicz died on July 11 , 1995". Identical sentence is repeated on pages 11 and 13 for whatever reason. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:30, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
@4meter4 Just a ping in case you missed my replies above. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:29, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Pruszków Train Station

Hi Everyone.

I was wondering if anyone resides in Warsaw and could for the benefit of Wikipedia take a picture of the renovated Pruszków railway station. All the current images are outdated and atrocious, both in quality and depiction. It is one of the more busy stations in the country. Merangs (talk) 03:31, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Merangs, If you ask this question on Polish Wikipedia you will surely get a lot of responses. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:57, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
@Piotrus: Done. Thank you for the tip. Merangs (talk) 05:06, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
Merangs, Sure! Can you link to the forum you asked for help? I'll second your request. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:21, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
@Piotrus: - Here you go 1. Not sure if this is the right page. Much appreciated. Merangs (talk) 05:35, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
@Merangs Try here instead: pl:Wikipedia:Zamówienia na obrazki Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:47, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
@Piotrus: - Done. Merangs (talk) 06:13, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject_Poland#Article_alerts

Just a friendly reminder we have this nice feature, which lists many discussions such as requested moves or deletions that can use more input. You can also watchlist it! --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:56, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

Please help populate Category:Polish political prisoners

I just started this category, please note that :pl:Kategoria:Więźniowie polityczni w Polsce has hundreds of entries. While doing so, please try to add references. That said, I should also note that the parent category for this and similar categories I recently (re)created (Russian political prisoners, etc.) are controversial and subject to ongoing deletion discussion here: Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2021_June_29#Category:Political_prisoners Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:28, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Note: the category has been deleted, although a DRV is ongoing Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2021_August_4#Category:Political_prisoners. In the meantime, I started a main article on Political prisoners in Poland, which hopefully won't be deleted as quickly... if anyone would like to take a stab at adding a list there, there is a pl:Kategoria:Więźniowie polityczni w Polsce to work with. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:39, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
Update 2: the category has been restored, so back to the original request - please help populate it. Thank you! --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:57, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject_Poland#Participants_list

I've noticed we have many people active in Polish topics, even on the talk page here, who have not officially "joined" this WP. May I encourage you to do so? :) Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:08, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

Sobibór, Lublin Voivodeship or Sobibór, Włodawa County?

Since Category:Villages in Włodawa County does not specify under what criteria the main title headers of some entries, such as Adampol, Lublin Voivodeship, use ", Lublin Voivodeship" for disambiguation, while other entries, such as Andrzejów, Włodawa County, use ", Włodawa County", the just-posted Talk:Sobibór (village)#Requested move 6 September 2021 requests views on the subject. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 07:26, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Disambiguation in this style is usually where there are multiple places (villages/towns) with the same name, which is a little different to how I understand this situation to be. The typical disambiguation is by voivode if there is only place of that name in the voivode, but further disambiguation by county if there is more than one place with the same name in the voivode. Severo (talk) 10:15, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Improving article

Good afternoon.

I am currently trying to expand the article John I Albert. Please see my progress at User:Merangs/sandbox for details. My question is in relation to an excerpt that I have found in Panowanie Kazimierza Jagiellończyka, króla polskiego by John Baptist Albertrandi and I am not certain how to interpret it (here's the link [14]). It concerns the passage "w nieprzytomności chorego arcybiskupa gnieźnieńskiego, obradami sejmowymi kierował". Does nieprzytomności refer to him not attending or him not being physically capable to lead those proceedings? Thank you for help. Merangs (talk) 09:07, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

I'd strongly suggest improving this in the mainspace, not the sandbox. Otherwise you may have to incorporate edits others do in the mainspace in the meantime. By default, I don't bother reviewing sandbox forks, but I'll be happy to review the main, live article. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:40, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Jesza

Hello people of WikiProject Poland, there is currently an an engaged discussion between two contributants at Talk:Jesza. Perhaps someone might want to contribute, too? Also, should one add {{WikiProject Poland}} to this talk page? --Cyfal (talk) 22:07, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Romualdas Giedraitis -> Romuald Giedroyć

There is a proposal to move the article from Romualdas Giedraitis to Romuald Giedroyć. Your input is of interest.--Cukrakalnis (talk) 21:55, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

rfc

This may be of interest

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Warsaw_concentration_camp#RfC:_Haaretz_article_on_errors_in_WP_article_about_the_Warsaw_concentration_camp

Slatersteven (talk) 15:55, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Wanda Traczyk-Stawska

This veteran of the Second World War and Warsaw Uprising has been in the news this week. There appears to be a competent article on her in Polish Wikipedia. Can a member of this project translate that article into English and add it to en.wikipedia? Many thanks, Kablammo (talk) 00:36, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Merger Proposal "RfC"

I have made a proposal to merge Recovered Territories into Territorial changes of Poland immediately after World War II, and am seeking more opinions on the matter to contibute to the discussion. Given the proposal is within the scope of this Wikiproject, I thought it'd be a good place to start. You can view the discussion here. Invinciblewalnut (talk) 23:38, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

Jerzy Tomziński

Can any Polish speakers please help with sourcing the article for Jerzy Tomziński. Much of it is not cited. Best, Thriley (talk) 20:03, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Talk:Biel CoA Ostoja

Please help with a correct title for this article. There is a move discussion on the talk page. FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 22:12, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Rename articles about uezds for consistency

I’m proposing renaming every article in the form of, for example, Akhtyrka Uyezd → Akhtyrka Uezd, to match the spelling of the renamed main article Uezd. Please discuss at talk:Uezd#Rename articles about uezds for consistency. —Michael Z. 22:16, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Merging Recovered Territories into Territorial changes of Poland immediately after World War II

An editor has requested for Recovered Territories to be merged into Territorial changes of Poland immediately after World War II. Since you had some involvement with Recovered Territories or Territorial changes of Poland immediately after World War II, you might want to participate in the merger discussion (if you have not already done so).

Further input is requested from all interested WikiProjects to facilitate reaching consensus. Felix QW (talk) 11:16, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Legal Advisor (Poland)

Lawyers in Poland. Definitely a language problem (attorney, counselor, barrister, solicitor, advocate, and their Polish equivalents) involved in finding sources. Question about this being a topic fork? I know very little about this subject in this jurisdiction. Nie rozumiem języka polskiego. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 18:05, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Women in Red translation contest: April to June 2022

At the beginning of April, WikiProject Women in Red is launching a three-month translation contest focused on increasing our coverage of women's biographies. As the Polish version of Wikipedia is one of the more popular sources for translation, members of WikiProject Poland may be interested in participating.--Ipigott (talk) 09:16, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Two discussions I started that I within the scope of WP

Wikipedia:Fringe_theories/Noticeboard#Poles_in_Lithuania - fringe theory about Polish people being just "Slavicized Lithuanians"

Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view/Noticeboard#Language_in_the_former_Polish-Lithuanian_Commonwealth - discussion what name should we use for Polish-Lithuanian people

Marcelus (talk) 07:40, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Translation needed

What is written here? Is it a funerary plaque? I see that 3 Chreptowiczes are mentioned. Alaexis¿question? 05:54, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Funerary plaque, written in old Polish. Too challenging to translate exactly for me.. - GizzyCatBella🍁 06:04, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
It's a funerary plague of Jan/Iwan Chrebtowicz, son of Jerzy Chreptowicz [pl], and grandson of Adam Chreptowicz [pl]. Text:

Na cześć i chwałę Panu Bogu w Trójcy jedynej najświętszej, Pannie maryi

A na pamiątkę wieczną, ciałom tu odpoczywającym

Wielmożnemu jegomości panu Iwanowi Litaworowi Chrebtowiczowi rotmistrzowi Króla Jego Mości Augusta Pierwszego

~Dziadowi~

Wielmożnemu jego mości panu Adamowi Litaworowi Chrebtowiczowi podkomorzemu nowogródzkie

~Ojcowi~

Wielmożnemu iego mości pan Gerzy Litawor Chrebtowicz kasztelan smoleński leśniy Jego Królewskiej Mości Oranski, Przełajski, Merecki

dał położyć

roku pańskiego 1641 miesiąca maja 15 dnia

Translation:

To the honor and glory of the Our Lord in the Holiest Only Trinity and Virgin Mary

And in the eternal memory of the bodies resting here

To His Grace Sir Ivan Litavor Chrebtovich, Captain of His Majesty King Augustus the First

~Grandfather~

To His Grace Sir Adam Litawor Chrebtowicz Chamberlain of Novgorod

~Father~

To His Grace Sir Gerzy Litawor Chrebtowicz Castellan of Smolensk, His Royal Majesty's Forester of Oran, Przełaj, Merecz

Gave to put [allowed to put the plaque]

in the year of our Lord 1641 in the month of May 15 day

Thank you! Alaexis¿question? 10:14, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Romualdas Giedraitis → Romuald Giedroyć move discussion

I notify you about the proposed move of Romualdas Giedraitis article under the new name Marcelus (talk) 07:28, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Zigmas Zinkevičius' writings on the Polish language and Poles in Lithuania

I started the discussion questioninig reliablity of Zigmas Zinkevičius here: Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Zigmas_Zinkevičius'_writings_on_the_Polish_language_and_Poles_in_Lithuania. You are welcome to comment Marcelus (talk) 21:21, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Polish WG {{WPMILHIST}} has been borked for 4 months

FYI, because of a deletion on Commons commons:Commons:Deletion requests/File:PB Poland CoA.png, the Polish military history workgroup project banner has been broken for over 4 months. -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 03:44, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Multiple articles being expanded with the same text.

I came across an issue from ANI in regards to Jedlice, Opole Voivodeship and the addition and removal of this text. I had originally opened a discussion on Talk:Jedlice, Opole Voivodeship, but have now realised it effects more than one article (see here and here. So I thought it bested to bring it to a more central discussion. I had already removed the text at Jedlice as undue for an article about a small village, but thought I would get further input before proceeding. What are people's thoughts? - LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 23:46, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

PerryPerryD, E-960, Jonny84, pinging those already involved in someway. - LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 23:50, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
Uncle G, GizzyCatBella, Bsoyka, ScottishFinnishRadish, pinging everyone else from ANI in case they are interested. I'll manually post to 192.76.8.70 talk page, as I don't believe IPs can be pinged. - LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 01:36, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
No comment at this time. I do not know the context of this article, I was simply reverting an edit that looked like it was made with personal bias attached, and following the three revert rule. PerryPerryD Talk To Me 13:13, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
As multiple places share the same history, it's going to happen, that they have the same text. Nothing spectacular and fascinating.. --Jonny84 (talk) 01:15, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
It's simply not due, I suggest reading WP:DUE if you haven't already. Not everything that is referenced needs to be in every article. - LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 01:25, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
In my opinion, rulers, administration and changes of administrative units are a very important part of a place and its history, which affected its inhabitants significantly. So I'm completely disagreeing. How can somebody find out something about that, if not mentioned? --Jonny84 (talk) 01:46, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
@Jonny84 - Maybe in an article about the region this might be due but not about a small village. Some might claim that you are “marking a territory” by inserting an identical text into multiple articles about the tiny Polish villages. - GizzyCatBella🍁 01:51, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
The Prussia article alone, and there are separate articles for different stages of its existence, gets over 5,000 page views a day. The Jedlice has 94 page views total, and most of those will be due to the content issue. No-one is missing out by not having this information, as we have many welled written and viewed articles about the areas history. - LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 01:52, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
So people will find in the article Prussia a mention about Jedlice? And in the article Jedlice they have to guess, where it belonged to? To find further information? I'm just curious how this should work..? I'm very amused.. --Jonny84 (talk) 02:04, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
@Jonny84 I'll explain what the problem is (other than a due issue) with your copy/paste amendments to multiple articles about Polish villages (such as this one [15]). To me it looks like you are possibly unintentionally suggesting that the area always belonged to Germany, which is not correct. GizzyCatBella🍁 02:16, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
1) So mentioning the years with FROM and TILL are the same for you like "forever/always"? Interesting suggestion.. I'm sorry, if I call this nonsense.. 2) I've started with the 18th century (with the foundation of the colonies)... Which is also 3 centuries ago... So you would call this also "always"? I would call it also far-fetched.. So what's the point? I'm feeling like you guys weren't even reading that, seems like it was just deleted with intention. --Jonny84 (talk) 02:25, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
Perhaps it would be wise to start a little earlier that 18 century when the area belonged to Poland or Bohemia for example? Don’t you think? - GizzyCatBella🍁 02:35, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
Why should we write about Poland in 10th century or the Germanic tribes, which lived there before, in a place which didn't existed at this time and was just overgrown with trees..? What was the effect? --Jonny84 (talk) 03:27, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
I already explained why in my previous posts - GizzyCatBella🍁 03:30, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
Why don't we start with the Big Bang? We shouldn't miss anything. --Jonny84 (talk) 03:34, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Note: - This represents a full history of that area: In the 10th century the area became part of the emerging Polish state, and later on, it was part of Poland, Bohemia (Czechia), Prussia, and Germany. After collapse of Nazi Germany in 1945, the village became again part of Poland. - still WP:UNDUE for that small village in my view. - GizzyCatBella🍁 03:00, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Area? Seriously? I was writing about the villages not the area. And now you are arguing with area, while everything was deleated before with the argument that it's not about the village but about the area? And Bohemia is not Czechia (which is the short form of the Czech Republic, which was founded in 1993), this is absolutely misleading.. Are you making fun of me? Why should we seriously mention the 10th century in a village, which was founded in the 18th century? Do we start the article of New York City with the Neanderthal? --Jonny84 (talk) 03:24, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
This is what you wrote:
...therefore it was part of the Holy Roman Empire of German Nation (till 1806), followed by the German Confederation (1815–1848, 1850–1866), the North German Confederation (1867–1871), and from 1871 to the German Empire. It belonged to Germany and Prussia till the cession of the eastern territories of Germany in 1945.
Is this about the village Jonny84? - GizzyCatBella🍁 03:28, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
Yes, as the village was founded in the 18th century, it lied in and belonged to Prussia and the HRE back then. Like Rome was in Roman Empire and is now in Italy or Washington D.C. is lying in the USA now .. It's not that difficult.. --Jonny84 (talk) 03:32, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
Okay Jonny84, I disagree that you wrote about the village. You wrote about the area. You started your "historical adventure" with the Holy "Roman-German" Empire (until 1806?) then you mysteriously omitted several hundreds of years of history when the area belonged to other states (Poland, Bohemia.. etc.) and you "landed" again in the German Confederation of 1815. That’s odd. I’ll leave this for others to continue this interaction if they like. I’m done here. - GizzyCatBella🍁 03:46, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
Note: User blocked. ― Qwerfjkltalk 06:41, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
Which one was blocked? PerryPerryD Talk To Me 15:32, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
Jonny84 was blocked, as per this. - LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 16:57, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Category:18th-century Polish people by occupation

A discussion about the categorisation of Category:18th-century Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth people is at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2022_April_17#Category:18th-century_Polish_people_by_occupation. Contributions welcome. Rathfelder (talk) 10:51, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

User script to detect unreliable sources

Main page: User:Headbomb/unreliable

I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like

  • John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14. (John Smith "[https://www.deprecated.com/article Article of things]" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14.)

and turns it into something like

It will work on a variety of links, including those from {{cite web}}, {{cite journal}} and {{doi}}.

The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.

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Clan Ostoja or Clan of Ostoja?

See Category:Polish heraldic clans. Most categories use "Clan of Foo", but a few use "Clan Foo". Frankly I am not sure if the "of" is needed. Ping User:Nihil novi? What sounds better in English? PS. Also note that other categories and articles are often titled in th "Foo family" format, see Category:Polish families. So we have both Clan Ostoja (Moscics) , Clan of Ostoja, as well as Piłsudski family and just Sanguszko... sigh. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 13:00, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

As I understand it, a "Polish heraldic clan" is someone's clumsy English rendering of "herb", in Polish heraldry.
It would have been less confusing to have kept the Polish term herb, or to have rendered herb by "coat-of-arms", rather than to translate it by the broader English term "clan", which may or may not involve a coat of arms as the Polish herb always does.
if "clan" must be adapted to the Polish herb system, then it would be appropriate to follow an English-language clan model such as Category:Scottish clans, which does not interject "of" between the word "clan" and the name of the particular clan. (Neither does the Polish language use the corresponding genitive case in the name of a herb.)
The "of" is superfluous, clunky, and altogether unwarranted.
Thanks.
Nihil novi (talk) 16:48, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
Back in the days I was working on this, I've always translated herb as coat of arms. We do have Ostoja coat of arms, the thing is, the coat of arms does seem to have an arguable and traditional stand-alone notability separate from Ostoja family (so, on pl wiki, we have pl:Ostoja (herb szlachecki)=Ostoja coat of arms and pl:Kategoria:Ostojowie=Category:Clan Ostoja. The problem (one of many) is that we have Clan of Ostoja which does not have a Polish equivalent, and so we have the question of a) is it notable/not ORish and b) should the article and related category be renamed to the "Foo family" or even just "Ostojowie" or "Ostoja" (now a disambig, so Ostoja (family)?. It's been ages since I delved into this part of Wikipedia, but it is not looking good... hence my post here, so see if we have any people interested in Polish history and heraldry. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:34, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
"Ostoja coat of arms" is a legitimate article and is appropriately listed in "Category:Polish coats of arms".
A list of Ostoja-coat-of-arms "notable bearers" could be added to the "Ostoja coat of arms" article, much as an analogous list appears in the "Abdank coat of arms" article. All the 42 notables now listed in "Category:Clan Ostoja" could be accommodated in "Ostoja coat of arms", without need for the present separate "Category:Clan Ostoja".
The final question would seem to be: What essential information in the (mis-titled) "Clan of Ostoja" article merits that separate article, which lumps together families and individuals who chanced to bear (or acquire by adoption) the same coat of arms?
Nihil novi (talk) 01:05, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

Spyville article

Hello. I have created an article on "Spyville"/Sobieskiego 100, a formerly Russian building in Warsaw. I've done my best with the article but I'm conscious that there are a lot more sources written in Polish (which I am unfortunately unable to read) which could be used to improve the article. Any input to the article from people with an interest would be appreciated. Thank you. McPhail (talk) 14:28, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

AfD

Hi. Please see this discussion. Thanks. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 18:04, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

Per WP:APPNOTE - "The talk page or noticeboard of one or more WikiProjects or other Wikipedia collaborations which may have interest in the topic under discussion."

In particular, there's a number of offline, Polish language sources on the Polish language Wiki article for this person. If anyone is able to access the following sources and see whether they're significant coverage, that would be appreciated:
  • Zbigniew Łojewski, Tadeusz Wołejko: Osiągnięcia Polskiej Lekkiej Atletyki w 40-leciu PRL. Mecze Międzypaństwowe I Reprezentacji Polski seniorów - mężczyźni. Warszawa: Komisja Statystyczna PZLA, 1984.
  • Henryk Kurzyński, Stefan Pietkiewicz, Janusz Rozum, Tadeusz Wołejko: Historia Finałów Lekkoatletycznych Mistrzostw Polski 1920-2007. Konkurencje męskie. Szczecin - Warszawa: Komisja Statystyczna PZLA, 2008. ISBN 978-83-61233-20-6.
  • Biuletyn Polskiego Związku Lekkiej Atletyki. Warszawa: 1999.
Thanks in advance. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:52, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Polish band AfD

Just seeing if anyone can try finding Polish language sources for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bulbulators. A delete voter already searched for Polish language sources, but maybe more can be dug up. SL93 (talk) 17:45, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

"Category:Polish positivism"

Finally today, 21 June 2022, months after I requested the move, a good soul has taken pity and approved the move of "Category:Polish enlightenment" to "Category:Polish Enlightenment", with "Enlightenment" capitalized, as it should have been.

I've now spotted a candidate for an analogous move, for analogous reasons. Just as "Polish Englightenment" is the name of a period in Polish culture and Polish philosophy (please see the latter link), this is also the case with "Polish Positivism".

Would someone be willing to submit a proposal to rename "Category:Polish positivism" to "Category:Polish Positivism", with "Positivism" capitalized, as it should have been? I hope someone younger than me could volunteer for this task, as he (generic "he" !) might have a better chance than I of seeing the fruition of that proposal within his lifetime.

Thank you.

Nihil novi (talk) 21:47, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Biała Prudnicka#Requested move 3 September 2022

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Biała Prudnicka#Requested move 3 September 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. – robertsky (talk) 19:17, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Requested move at Template talk:Country data Biała Prudnicka#Template talk:Country data Biała Prudnicka

Following the move of Biała Prudnicka to Biała, Opole Voivodeship, I have now proposed moving the corresponding template. I hope this is of interest to members. Thanks, Kiwipete (talk) 09:43, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

WiTricity entry at Polish Wikipedia

Hello! On behalf of WiTricity and as part of my work at Beutler Ink, I've shared a draft entry for Polish Wikipedia, which is a translated version of the English Wikipedia article. I'm searching for an editor who speaks Polish and is willing to review this draft and update the entry appropriately. Might someone here at WikiProject Poland be able to help? Thanks for your consideration, Inkian Jason (talk) 13:44, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

The draft has been reviewed. Thanks! Inkian Jason (talk) 15:39, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Death and state funeral of Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani#Requested move 25 September 2022

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Death and state funeral of Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani#Requested move 25 September 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. UtherSRG (talk) 10:50, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

That probably was cryptic... why do we care about that? This RM involves about 50 state funeral articles, including at least one that is related to this WP. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:12, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Piotr Kapuściński

Hello folks, this bad actor is messing up in Ukraine. He seems to be a Polish gang member. Could some Polish native speaker look for news coverage about his time in Poland and associated trials ? Yug (talk) 🐲 13:28, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

On the contrary, this article does not meet the quality standards on Wikipedia (both its written content and lack of notability). I suggest it is speedily deleted per Wikipedia:Notability and dubious Wikipedia:Verifiability. I am pinging @Piotrus: so he can express his opinion and loop in others. Merangs (talk) 14:18, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
@Merangs @Yug I concur notability seems dubious. I don't have time to look for more sources right now, but WP:AFD is always an option. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 15:53, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
@Piotrus and Merangs: I agree this stub isn't safe yet on the notability front. Yet, the man had trial in Poland and became an informant for Polish government against the Polish mafia, he then went to Ukraine and got world wide news coverage. Seems there is something to work there. My initial message stands : if some Polish speaking editor could check this man's news coverage in Poland prior to 2020, it would enlighten us about its notability or non-notability. I reviewed post-2022 English sources.
If nevertheless you aim to request deletion, please userify by respect for the editor's work done and potentially to add.
As for verifiability, the news is run by several trustworthy source The Kyiv Independent (Ukraine, doing investigative journalism), Gazeta Polska (Poland), Deutsche Welle and Der Spiegel (Germany). So unless you have notable sources questioning those, I don't see a strong verifiability issue there. Yug (talk) 🐲 16:04, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
Still a major notability issue. Merangs (talk) 23:17, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
@Yug I think AfD is better than userfication, which is a quiet, one-person enforced half-deletion. At AFD, we can get a wider community, and one can always request userfication in case of deletion (I'd always support such a soft deletion approach). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:01, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
PS. Re Polish media. Yes, there's coverage: https://www.wprost.pl/swiat/10840072/powazne-oskarzenia-pod-adresem-polaka-walczacego-w-ukrainie-mezczyzna-komentuje-zarzuty.html , https://natemat.pl/438148,polski-gangster-walczy-w-ukraine-nadal-jest-poszukiwany-w-polsce , https://wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/wiadomosci/7,114881,28805254,piotr-kapuscinski-broda-pruszkowski-gangster-mial-wysylac.html, https://warszawa.wyborcza.pl/warszawa/7,54420,28808075,ukrainskie-media-poszukiwany-byly-czlonek-gangu-pruszkowskiego.html . The problem is it's more of a WP:ONEVENT issue. Borderline. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:04, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Expand

Anna Lubomirska (died 1763) appear to be notable... but the article is in AfD. Pls kindly expand if another info found. Thanks Taung Tan (talk) 15:29, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Reliable source in Polish?

Would like to get some input on whether the history website Ciekawostki historyczne.pl is WP:RS. This is the article I'm interested in citing but as I'm not a Polish speaker (and using machine translation) it's difficult to get a clear picture of the site's reliability. Thanks. DeCausa (talk) 13:03, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

@DeCausa I didn't notice your post earlier, sorry. The author is not anonymous, and the article even cites some sources. According to https://ciekawostkihistoryczne.pl/zasady-publikacji/ they pay for texts published, and in criteria they say they require texts to be reliable, copyedited, and they may carry out copyeding and fixes themselves. There is no external, blind peer review, but well, it's a magazine of sorts, and it seems to have an internal review process, which they explain in detail, which is pretty rare in my experience. I think it's reliable for non-academic level type of source, just like any other magazine or newspaper. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:32, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
@Piotrus: Thanks very much. DeCausa (talk) 08:49, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

Stary Cykarzew POM

Could someone please find a reliable source to verify the existence of this settlement? I cannot translate the single reference in the article, and there is no equivalent article in the Polish wikipedia. Thanks, Kiwipete (talk) 07:45, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

I don't think such village exists, I don't even know what POM is supposed to mean Marcelus (talk) 11:46, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
Thanks, @Marcelus, I'll flag the article for deletion, and also remove it from the Gmina Mykanów template. Kiwipete (talk) 22:09, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Przed 2014 r. w Polsce nie był dostępny publicznie zestaw miejscowości. W tym czasie na polskiej Wikipedii tworzono artykuły do nazw znalezionych w różnych źródłach, wówczas uznawano artykuły bez źródeł informacji. Po 2014 r. dokonaliśmy weryfikacji artykułów o miejscowościach w Polsce [16]. W tej akcji skasowano kilkaset artykułów, jeżeli pozostały ich odpowiedniki w innych wiki, to należy je skasować. Proponuję utworzenie zestawienia artykułów o miejscowościach w Polsce, które są na en:, a nie ma ich odpowiednika na pl:. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stok (talk • contribs) 18:35, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Translation according to Google:
Before 2014, a set of town was not publicly available in Poland. At that time, articles found in various sources were created on Polish Wikipedia, then articles were recognized without information sources. After 2014, we verified articles about places in Poland [1]. Several hundred articles were deleted in this action, if their counterparts in other wiki remain, they should be deleted. I suggest creating a list of articles about cities in Poland that are on EN: and there are no equivalent on PL:.
Kiwipete (talk) 22:22, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
The reason I came across this article, and others, is a result of my adding a pushpin map to articles that are missing them. I have come across other examples as well as this one, and will raise the appropriate deletion requests in the not too distant future. Kiwipete (talk) 22:31, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Stary Cykarzew POM

Could someone please find a reliable source to verify the existence of this settlement? I cannot translate the single reference in the article, and there is no equivalent article in the Polish wikipedia. Thanks, Kiwipete (talk) 07:45, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

I don't think such village exists, I don't even know what POM is supposed to mean Marcelus (talk) 11:46, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
Thanks, @Marcelus, I'll flag the article for deletion, and also remove it from the Gmina Mykanów template. Kiwipete (talk) 22:09, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Przed 2014 r. w Polsce nie był dostępny publicznie zestaw miejscowości. W tym czasie na polskiej Wikipedii tworzono artykuły do nazw znalezionych w różnych źródłach, wówczas uznawano artykuły bez źródeł informacji. Po 2014 r. dokonaliśmy weryfikacji artykułów o miejscowościach w Polsce [17]. W tej akcji skasowano kilkaset artykułów, jeżeli pozostały ich odpowiedniki w innych wiki, to należy je skasować. Proponuję utworzenie zestawienia artykułów o miejscowościach w Polsce, które są na en:, a nie ma ich odpowiednika na pl:. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stok (talk • contribs) 18:35, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Translation according to Google:
Before 2014, a set of town was not publicly available in Poland. At that time, articles found in various sources were created on Polish Wikipedia, then articles were recognized without information sources. After 2014, we verified articles about places in Poland [1]. Several hundred articles were deleted in this action, if their counterparts in other wiki remain, they should be deleted. I suggest creating a list of articles about cities in Poland that are on EN: and there are no equivalent on PL:.
Kiwipete (talk) 22:22, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
The reason I came across this article, and others, is a result of my adding a pushpin map to articles that are missing them. I have come across other examples as well as this one, and will raise the appropriate deletion requests in the not too distant future. Kiwipete (talk) 22:31, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Stepan Bandera genocide criminal or hero?

Talk:Valerii Zaluzhnyi#Bandera and Verkhovna Rada maybe it’s a good place to put it here and some one want to discuss is Stepan Bandera responsible for Volhynia genocide and it’s not a good person to take selfies with, especially when you are a Commander-in-Chief of army or the parliament, maybe my analogy of “Federal Ministry of Defence (Germany) publish selfie with Hitler portrait, this been retweeted by Bundestag account” little too strong. But I been reported all the time Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#User:Joaziela and Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User:Joaziela and personal attacks and not much been discussed on subject, so maybe some backup, if it’s not a good place to publish thenn sorry Joaziela (talk) 19:35, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

The article on Stepan Bandera explains the issue, and makes it pretty clear that he was a Ukrainian fascist, as there have [been] British fascists, American fascists, Russian fascists etc. Having a selfie taken with such a person does not automatically mean that a person is a fascist. Phil Bridger (talk) 19:47, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
I’m not claiming that, but just taking this selfie it’s a scandal and publishing another and that it’s put there by official parliament account it’s a another huge one. And it was as a scandal seen in world by politicians of other countries including Poland.
so maybe if you want to help to form it in different way, maybe I don’t get something, but by responses like “Bandera is not Hitler (not even close)”, I read it that totally not understanding the maybe little to strong analogy and knowing that there are Bandera monuments and gloryication by some, is bringing some misunderstanding Joaziela (talk) 19:55, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
Bandera was fascist and he is responsible for genocide. I think that concludes the discussion Marcelus (talk) 20:03, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
@Marcelus Don’t explain it to me, but please try to explain there, why for any Ukrainian it’s not okay to take a selfie with genocide responsible in that discussion Talk:Valerii Zaluzhnyi#Bandera and Verkhovna Rada Joaziela (talk) 20:31, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
I won't, I don't think that's worth mentioning in Zaluzhny's biogram Marcelus (talk) 20:35, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
Why not? You admit he is responsible for genocide, same as Hitler. If any German general made selfie with Hitler, would he even think about publishing it? Would Bundestag post it? So because of that it should be post it in his biogram, because selfies with Bandera (used to be honored Hero of Ukraine and there are still his monuments) are as scandal as Hitler glorification Joaziela (talk) 20:46, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
You already said that, you don't have to repeat yourself Marcelus (talk) 21:04, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
I didn’t repeat myself, just because I bring more background information for you. Maybe you had a problem with understanding the analogy in the first place, because you didn’t provide with any arguments for you statement Joaziela (talk) 21:19, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

xxx

As a lead in Adolf Hitler is containing The Holocaust, it is natural that Stepan Bandera artice first lines should be filled with Volhynia genocide, but... The word „genocide” didn’t happen in Articles text not even once (sic! zero, zilch, null), but in titles of sourced it is 11 times. One again: 11 quoted article are titled “genocide” and in text itself genocide didn’t happen once. „Hero” in text 12 times... I heard not to used historical negationism or genocide denial, but I don’t know how to call it... Unfortunate coincidence? Joaziela (talk) 21:29, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

WP:DROPTHESTICK Volunteer Marek 10:36, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
Why is this discussed here and not at Talk:Stepan Bandera? This discussion should be moved there. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:42, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_February_5#Polish-Lithuanian_office-holders_names

I started a discussion about renaming PLC office holders, you might be interested in joining Marcelus (talk) 17:18, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Grabowski and Klein on 25 English Wikipedia articles

The discussion was closed elsewhere but I was reminded that it's essential to leave a notice here. :) There's a new article by Grabowski and Klein about certain content disputes in 25 articles related to Poland and the Holocaust. Nemo 17:03, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

There is an ongoing discussion here Marcelus (talk) 18:11, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

More articles for deletion?

Following on from my request above, I've come across more articles that have no equivalent on the PL wikipedia. These are all from the Greater Poland voivodeship:

If anyone has any reliable source(s), or related articles on the PL wikipedia, could you please advise? Pinging @Piotrus, @Phil Bridger, @Stok because of your help at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stary Cykarzew POM. Kiwipete (talk) 20:06, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

@Kiwipete This user operated the boot, but they are inactive - GizzyCatBella🍁 20:27, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
Thanks, @GizzyCatBella, yes I was aware of Kotniski's withdrawal from Wikipedia, sadly. Kiwipete (talk) 20:29, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
@Stok Delete? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:47, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
@Piotrus I would delete all of them, but those names that existed (istniała) can not be deleted. Stok (talk) 08:08, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
@Stok - can you please explain why they "can not be deleted"? Unlike all other Greater Poland voivodeship towns/villages, these ones have no coordinates and no equivalent PL wikipedia article. Kiwipete (talk) 04:18, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
@Kiwipete PRNG is an official list of places in Poland, it contains official and unofficial names. If I wrote not in PRNG, then this name is not in this list and I recommend deleting the article. In the PRNG, the "remarks" column lists the abolished names. For example, "Jeligowo" this name existed, but was abolished in 2007 and incorporated into the village of Stary Białcz. I recommend deleting the article and placing the information in the article Stary Białcz. Stok (talk) 06:54, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

I'm add more:

The corresponding articles were on pl:, they were deleted: in 2014 (pl:Wikipedia:Poczekalnia/Załatwione artykuły (sierpień 2014/2)#Wsie_cz._1. The footnote indicating that they are in TERYT is false. Stok (talk) 08:55, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

And:

Deleted on pl: (pl:Wikipedia:Poczekalnia/Załatwione artykuły (sierpień 2014/2)#Wsie_cz._2). Stok (talk) 09:28, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

I wonder if they can be speedied? Errr. Ping random admin @Liz :) Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:37, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

Here is another:

Kiwipete (talk) 02:28, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

No, Chrapice exist, in PRNG: Chrapice, urzędowa, część wsi, Skąpe, 0842176, TERYT (SIMC), 0842182 53°14'13" 18°36'58". It is part of Skąpe, Kuyavian-Pomeranian Voivodeship, text no longer existent village is wrong. Stok (talk) 22:25, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
What I'm looking for, in particular, are geographic coordinates so that I can display a map in the article. There are no such coordinates in either the English or Polish wikipedia articles. If the text "no longer existent village" is incorrect, could you please update the article? But if also, as you say, it is part of Skąpe, itself a village, is there any justification for the article's existence? In the meantime, I'll just remove its reference from the Gmina Papowo Biskupie template. Kiwipete (talk) 22:38, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
@Kiwipete According to pl wiki article, Chrapice was a village that eventually became part of another village. It probably meets Wikipedia:Notability (geographic features) per the source Stok cited, it is/was "Legally recognized, populated" (GEOLAND #1). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:24, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Most prominent historians of Poland

Who would you classify as such? Norman Davies is a given. Anyone else, if you were to make a "Top 10"? (Also such a list could differ if we consider scholars publishing in English and Polish, I guess). Bonus points for telling me who you'd consider as "most prominent historians of Polish military history". TIA! Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:52, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

I wouldn't put Davies in my top 10, maybe not even in top 100 :) Marcelus (talk) 09:17, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
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