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Yugoslav gunboat Beli Orao[edit]

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Yugoslav gunboat Beli Orao (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

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After a few months of low activity due to RW stuff, I'm back with yet another Yugoslav ship. This one served under five names and three flags over a nearly forty-year career, at various times being used as an admiralty yacht, submarine chaser/gunboat/escort, anti-submarine warfare training vessel and motor gunboat tender, and for several decades after WWII as a presidential yacht for the Yugoslav president Josip Broz Tito. I brought it up to GA standard a few years ago, but never felt it was detailed enough for A-Class. The recent publication of a comprehensive book on the Yugoslav Royal Navy by Zvonimir Freivogel has meant that much more detail on her service has been able to be added, and I consider she's ready for ACR. Have at it. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 22:25, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Image licensing looks OK (t · c) buidhe 01:31, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Buidhe! Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 01:33, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

HF[edit]

Good to see you back at ACR; will review this soon. Hog Farm Talk 02:53, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • I feel like the phrasing of "The ship had a length overall of 60.45–65 metres (198 ft 4 in–213 ft 3 in)," can be improved. Are the two sources giving differing statements of overall lengths? Did the ship have different overall lengths in different parts of the boat? Is the exact overall length unknown, but it's known to be within that range? The current wording is unclear here.
Thanks HF, good point. Is it clearer now? Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 07:21, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, much clearer. I have to admit that I initially read it as 60.45-60.65 meters, not 60.45-65.00 meters. Hog Farm Talk 04:16, 2 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sourcing appears to be of good quality and a good breadth of sourcing.

I can't find much to complain about here, supporting. Hog Farm Talk 00:16, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for taking a look, HF! Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 07:21, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support by Indy beetle[edit]

  • In 1969–1970 she was serving as a dispatch boat That's sourced to a book published in 1969. I presume the author did not have a crystal ball which would tell them that it would continue to serve as a dispatch boat the following year, even if this was likely.
Good point, not sure how that got there. Trimmed. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 00:39, 19 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • According to Peter II of Yugoslavia's 1954 memoirs, he visited the ship while she was in Malta in 1943. Since this seems like the rare time the royal yacht was actually used as a royal yacht, if a secondary source can confirm this that would be nice to mention.
Nice find, added. I think for detail of this sort, his memoirs are fine. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 00:39, 19 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is there any special significance to the name "Beli Orao (White Eagle)"? I'm seeing it prop up in other places related to wartime Yugoslavia.
Yes, it is largely a Serbian thing within the former Yugoslavia, the Serbian national football team is called the White Eagles, it has featured in Serbian heraldry and vexillology for centuries. I've noted that she is named after the double-headed eagle on the Yugoslav coat of arms and linked the latter, do you think I need to do more? Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 00:39, 19 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

-Indy beetle (talk) 08:29, 13 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

All done I think, Indy beetle. Thanks for taking a look! Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 00:39, 19 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Supporting. -Indy beetle (talk) 23:03, 6 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support by Gog the Mild[edit]

  • "She was captured by the Italians during the World War II Axis invasion of Yugoslavia in April 1941" → 'She was captured in April 1941 by the Italians during the World War II Axis invasion of Yugoslavia'.
Done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 01:20, 19 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "She was captured by the Italians during the World War II Axis invasion of Yugoslavia in April 1941, and was re-armed and saw service as a gunboat in the Regia Marina (Italian Royal Navy), briefly as Alba then Zagabria, undertaking harbour protection and coastal escort duties." Bit of a long sentence.
Split, good point. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 01:20, 19 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "she became a motor torpedo boat tender for a flotilla of motor gunboats". 1. The link to motor torpedo boat tender refers specifically to US vessels of this type 2. "she became a motor torpedo boat tender for a flotilla of motor gunboats" reads a little oddly.
Both fixed. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 01:20, 19 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
And in the main text?
Doh, also fixed. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:57, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Infobox: "60.08 m (197 ft 1 in) (pp)", perhaps the "pp" could be linked?
Done, and oa. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 01:20, 19 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Her engines were rated at 1,900–2,200 brake horsepower". Each?
Clarified, sources vary. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 01:20, 19 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"Her engines were rated at either" still leaves me unclear as to whether each engine was so rated or whether this was the rating of their combine output.
Better? Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:57, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Gog the Mild (talk) 16:53, 13 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Gog. All done I reckon, see what you think? Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 01:20, 19 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
A couple of follow up queries. Gog the Mild (talk) 11:43, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Can you check you are happy with those changes, Gog? Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:57, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

CommentsSupport by CPA[edit]

  • Beli Orao (White Eagle) was a royal yacht From which language is this translated?
Added. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 01:34, 19 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Italians during the World War II Axis invasion of Yugoslavia in April 1941 This sentence sound really odd to me. I'm not really familiar with using a proper noun like WWII as an adjective here.
This sentence has been changed as a result of earlier review comments. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 01:34, 19 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • In this role she operated out of Malta, and in the Tyrrhenian Sea Pipe Malta to Crown Colony of Malta.
Done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 01:34, 19 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Beli Orao was ordered from Cantieri Riuniti dell'Adriatico (CRDA) No article here?
It is linked? Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 01:34, 19 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • several times by the Yugoslav government No Yugoslav Government?
linked Kingdom of Yugoslavia. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 01:34, 19 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • rated at 1,900–2,200 brake horsepower (1,400–1,600 kW),[2][1] Re-oder refs here?
This sentence has been changed as a result of earlier review comments. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 01:34, 19 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's anything from me. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 07:52, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for taking a look, CPA-5! See what you think of my responses. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 01:34, 19 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

G'day @Indy beetle and CPA-5:, any further comments? Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:51, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • @Peacemaker67: It might not be good for me to be on Wikipedia currently. Got Tuesday hospitalised after fainting suddenly without a particular reason. Thus I'm now doing some tests for my cardiologist to see what's wrong. I'll probably be back at the weekend. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 07:41, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Sorry to hear that mate. I hope the test results are positive. Wikipedia will still be here when you are feeling better. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:32, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Source review[edit]

  • Sources generally look good and of high quality.
  • Leo Niehorster seems to be okay. Has an article on the German Wikipedia.
  • Spot checks not done.

Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:19, 6 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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