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Article promoted Hawkeye7 (talk) 21:23, 21 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Elwyn Roy King[edit]

Nominator(s): Ian Rose (talk)


In the centenary year of the start of World War I, it seemed to make sense to revisit some old bios from that conflict in light of additional sources. I think this article on the second-highest scoring ace of the Australian Flying Corps is now sufficiently detailed to make A-Class (and perhaps FA, so pls let me know any thoughts on that). Like his great friend and fellow No. 4 Squadron pilot Harry Cobby, King's aerial combat lasted barely nine months, making his achievements all the more remarkable. He also did some newsworthy things as a civil pilot in the early 1920s before settling down with an engineering business and a young family, until again putting on the uniform, this time for the RAAF in World War II. Any and all comments welcome! Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 00:05, 11 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support
    • Couple of dab links [1]:
      • Goodyear
      • Battle of Amiens
        • Hmm, thought I'd caught the first one at least earlier but guess I didn't hit 'save' -- tks AC.
    • External links checks out [2] (no action req'd).
    • Images all have Alt Text [3] (no action req'd).
    • The Citation Check Tool reveals no issues with reference consolidation (no action req'd).
    • Images all appear to be PD and have req'd info, captions look ok (no action req'd).
    • The Earwig Tool reveal no issues with copyright violation or close paraphrasing [4] (no action req'd).
    • No duplicate links per WP:REPEATLINK (no action req'd).
    • This seems a little awkward: " In an action that the official history of Australia in the war..." perhaps consider more simply: "Australian official history"? (suggestion only)
      • I kind of prefer it as is because it makes things clearer to the average reader but if others agree it should be trimmed, fair enough.
    • Otherwise excellent in my opinion. Anotherclown (talk) 02:20, 11 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments Support

Lead

  • should "Lighthorseman" be title case? And is there a space between "light" and "horse"? The link goes to "Australian Light Horse".
    • I was in two minds about capitalising it so, yeah, let's make it lower case. I don't think "light horsemen" is correct though.
That's fine, I got you down to lower case, I'm not going to dig my heels in on the spacing! Zawed (talk) 08:12, 21 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Fighter ace

  • Sorry Ian, I agree with AC RE the phrase "In an action that the official history of Australia in the war...". This does seem awkward.
    • Okay, I'm outvoted... ;-)
  • "...without any Allied loss." Should that be "...without any Allied losses."?
    • Happy to change it.
  • "...during which "he insures success..." That's definitely "insures"? Perhaps add a (sic) here?
    • Crumbs, well spotted -- should be "ensures".

Looks good otherwise. Zawed (talk) 08:56, 13 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Tks for reviewing, mate. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 09:46, 13 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Looks good Ian, have added my support. Zawed (talk) 08:12, 21 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Yks mate! Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 08:22, 21 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

CommentsSupport.

  • FWiW, I would have agreed with Zawed and AC wrt the awkward phrasing. Sorry, Ian! ;)
    • Clearly a conspiracy... ;-)
  • The lead seems a little on the short side; granted, it's not a huge article, but you could probably flesh the lead out a little. What was his rank, for example?
    • I hear you, but I felt it did touch on all the major aspects or highlights of his life. I agree about rank though, have added his final one at least.
  • King was transferred to the Australian Flying Corps—the lead says "he transferred"; the "was" implies he didn't have a choice in the matter, so which was it?
    • Good catch, a non-reliable source I have indicates he volunteered, and the RSs tend to use "transferred" , not "was transferred".
  • six-foot, three-inch—do we need a metric conversion here? I don't know if it's standard for heights of people?
    • No, I agree with you, will do the conversion for our European (and younger Australian!) readers... ;-)
  • nicknamed "Bo", "Beau", or "Bow"—where did the nickname come from? Is it known?
    • Surprisingly no -- I always like to give the origin of esoteric nicknames if available (see Nicky Barr for a good one).
  • King was credited with two victories, a balloon and an LVG—perhaps the subclause might be better with an en- or em-dash than commas, otherwise it could be read as King being credited with the the balloon, the LVG, and the two victories.
    • Fair enough.
  • The next day, he downed three Fokker D.VIIs, two without having to fire a shot. Perhaps remove the "having to"?
    • Okay.
  • Initially offered general flying duties, he was assigned training commands commencing in the new year. Does that mean he turned down the general flying duties?
    • Not clear, might change to "Initially considered for general flying duties" in any case.
  • the pallbearers included Air Vice Marshal Henry Wrigley, Air Commodore Raymond Brownell, Group Captain Allan Walters, and Wing Commander Henry Winneke. Was there a connection between these men and King (eg, did they serve together)?
    • Wrig and Brownell were also WWI vets of the Western front, though the former may have been there in his capacity as Air Member for Personnel anyway. No indication any of the four were great friends with him, I put them in because they're notable enough in WP terms to justify their own articles.
  • File:E04146JonesAFC.jpg needs a US copyright tag. No other obvious issues with image copyrights.

An excellent piece of work. The above is mostly nit-picking, so I'll gladly support once they're sorted. Hopefully we'll see plenty more WWI-related biographies over the centenary years. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:10, 16 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Tks Harry, busy time but should get round to these in the next couple of days... Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 12:55, 17 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
No worries; take all the time you need. Ping me when you want me to take another look. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 08:19, 18 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@HJ Mitchell: Done, mate, let me know how it looks. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 08:47, 19 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Looks good to me; happy to support. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 11:07, 19 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Tks Harry! Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 11:32, 19 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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