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February 20[edit]

Tashabbuh! Pl. help understand particular context[edit]

For curious, What is Tashabbuh? (Well still in my sandbox at very preliminary stage)

My questions are related to the: Foot note of Referrence no. 29 of Gustave E. von Grunebaum's Modern Islam: The Search for Cultural Identity on page no 240. Contains a reference to page 129 " Quis custodiet custodes "II" studia Islamica "VI" " of Ann K. S. Lambton. The next paragraph in the same foot note refers to Tashabbuh.

1) I sought link to page 129 " Quis custodiet custodes "II" studia Islamica "VI" " of Ann K. S. Lambton at WP:Library/Exchange, on that page I did not find any referrence to Tashabbuh. Whether I did not reach to right referral book?

2) When I read relevant para of ref. no 29 of Modern Islam: The Search for Cultural Identity on page 240; I did not understand context of Tashabbuh on that page. May be I did not get context since I did not know over all context of the chapter. Hence I am looking for some help to understand the context.

Thanks Bookku (talk) 14:24, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Arabic spelling تشبه defined in the Dictionary of Modern Written Arabic as "imitation". AnonMoos (talk) 17:11, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@AnonMoos

1) To write complete 'tashabbuh bi’l-kuffār' in Arabic, is التشبه الكفار okay or need change?

2) Is there any article or section on this topic in ar.wikipedia or any other language wikipedia?

3) Were you able to see preview of page 240 of " Modern Islam: The Search for Cultural Identity"? Because my main question is regarding the same.

Thanks Bookku (talk) 06:35, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think the correct term is التشبه بالكفار (al-tashabbuh bi’l-kuffār), as used for example here and here. Used in context, the short name تشبه alone will be understood to mean the imitation of infidels. --Lambiam 13:25, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The book Cosmopolitanisms in Muslim Contexts contains a chapter "Cosmopolitanism and Authenticity: The Doctrine of Tashabbuh Bi’l-Kuffar (“Imitating the Infidel”) in Modern South Asian Fatwas". --Lambiam 23:48, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I have already started sourcing a little from them. Though recent English language academic literature is limited but seems well researched and extensive enough to write a detailed encyclopedic article. Expanse of the topic seems quite vast enough. I looking forward to build a thorough and well collaborated article on the topic.

There would be lot of media and academic literature in many global languages. I suppose intermittent help to confirm linguistic aspects of the topic would be needed. Bookku (talk) 02:12, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Remember (though you probably haven't forgotten) that sources don't have to be in English. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 176.24.45.226 (talk) 08:31, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes of course Bookku (talk) 14:17, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]