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November 17[edit]

Gensan Flying Corps[edit]

Misawa Air Base says:

By early 1941, the Gensan Flying Corps trained at Misawa.

What is the the Gensan Flying Corps? I tried googling it, but all the results are from the Misawa Air Base Wikipedia article, or copies and mirrors of that article.

Helian James (talk) 00:26, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Eleventh Air Fleet 22nd Air Flotilla flying 48 Mitsubishi G3M, 6 Mitsubishi Ki-15, and 36 Mitsubishi A6M Masatake Okumiya; Jiro Horikoshi (1991). Zero!. p. 31-2. They sank Prince of Wales and Repulse (ibid. pp. 67-95) fiveby(zero) 01:13, 17 November 2022 (UTC) Err, nevermind there is an article Genzan Air Group. fiveby(zero) 01:17, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have added the link to Genzan Air Group in the text mentioned at Miwasa air base article. Alexcalamaro (talk) 06:12, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Is there any reason for retaining the "Gensan" spelling in this article? As far as I can tell, it's the only instance in Wikipedia of this spelling (in this context) – all other mentions of the Air Group use Genzan. It's not even following the spelling of a cited source. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.217.47.60 (talk) 11:13, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think this is rendaku and not variant On'yomi reading or romanization so should be 'Genzan' everywhere? fiveby(zero) 16:30, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, everyone! Helian James (talk) 22:25, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved

In 2023, who will be the most liberal Republicans in the US House of Representatives?[edit]

In the 2021-2022 US Senate, Joe Manchin had an extraordinary amount of amount of power because the Democrats only held the Senate by the narrowest of margins and he is by far the most conservative Democrat in the Senate. If Manchin idn't like a measure, that measure would not pass.

So, if we can expect the same phenomenon in the House next year because this time Republicans will hold only the narrowest majority, who will be the Joe Manchins of the House--i.e., the most liberal Republicans who the GOP caucus will need to bring on board in order to get anything done. Just looking for a few names we should keep our eye on.

And I get that these days there are arguably no truly "liberal" Republicans, I am just speaking in relative terms. 2600:4040:9147:3700:9C00:E575:16CF:7D3 (talk) 13:50, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Playing around with voteview, which my understanding is ranks ideologies based on how frequently people vote with their party, gives us Brian Fitzpatrick and Chris Smith, both of whom were re-elected. Some others were not re-elected. John Katko, for instance, did not run and was replaced by Brandon Williams, though it remains to be seen how liberal Williams will vote. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 14:22, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Bloomberg recently wrote about the "Manchin of the house" moderates and highlighted Marc Molinaro who flipped a district as promising to "leverage" his power as a moderate. Another flipped districts of note is that represented by Mike Lawler. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 14:26, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"the most liberal Republicans who the GOP caucus will need to bring on board in order to get anything done." That is not a thing, afaict. The GOP has much more effective party discipline than the Dems have. Look up the term "rotating villain". Manchin is a classic example, but it is mostly a Dem phenomenon. 2601:648:8201:5E50:0:0:0:DD22 (talk) 18:08, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You could be right, but we shall soon see! 2600:4040:9147:3700:1D0C:BC6E:E7CD:D99A (talk) 19:40, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Also, maybe you're right that it isn't currently a thing, but maybe it *will* be a thing simply due to human nature. It would be hard to resist the temptation of obtaining the kind of power and media attention Joe Manchin had, simply by being an occasional contrarian. That member of congress would immediately be booked on every Sunday show every week. Of course, it could only happen it they were in a very safe, moderate district that wouldn't try to punish such a contrarian. 2600:4040:9147:3700:1D0C:BC6E:E7CD:D99A (talk) 19:48, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think the two parties are different in that regard. The GOP and its voters are willing to throw out their own incumbents who misbehave, even if the party temporarily loses seats or a majority, figuring they can tough it out til they get the seats back later. That is how the Tea Party became so powerful, by throwing out more moderate GOP incumbents. Some got replaced by right wing Republicans and some got replaced by Democrats, but either way, the GOP moved to the right. The Democrats OTOH run on the premise that they represent the vulnerable, so they will defend their worst incumbents because if they lose their majority then OMG, puppies will die!!1! The GOP will overturn Roe v. Wade!!1! (I guess that one is used up now). Of course that only works if the majority is quite thin so it can be presented as fragile. They accidentally got a huge majority in 2008 (Obama's first term) so they had to take various measures to get rid of it. Their big villain then was Baucus rather than Manchin, but it worked out the same way. 2601:648:8201:5E50:0:0:0:DD22 (talk) 20:41, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The Tea Party became a thing because the Democratic Party moved right first and the Republican party moved further right in response. See New Democrats; where we see the party under Bill Clinton abandoned traditional left-leaning values and adopted traditional right-wing values such as "being tough on crime" and "lowering taxes" and "reducing government spending" and "forcing people to get jobs in order to stay on government benefits". That sort of stuff came first from the Democratic party, and in response, the Republican party had to move further right to take up even more extremist hard-right ideologies in order to differentiate themselves from the Democrats in order to remain relevant. --Jayron 32 12:53, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Eddie891, thank you! this is very helpful info. 2600:4040:9147:3700:1D0C:BC6E:E7CD:D99A (talk) 19:41, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to know who the most liberal Republican or the most conservative Democrat is, then rather than checking how often they vote with their own party, you have to check how often they vote with the other party. 2601:648:8201:5E50:0:0:0:DD22 (talk) 22:21, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Aka: RINO? 136.56.52.157 (talk) 08:18, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Those should be functionally the same, especially in this day and age where votes are almost all on party lines. To not vote with one's party is to vote against. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 14:19, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]