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June 28[edit]

Are both Meena tribe and Matsya tribe same?[edit]

Meena tribe and Matsya (tribe) -- Karsan Chanda (talk) 00:50, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In Meena § History I read, "The historian Pramod Kumar notes that it is likely that the tribes living in the ancient Matsya kingdom were called Meena but it cannot be said with certainty that there is anything common between them and the modern Meenas." His argument that this is likely, is that Sanskrit मीन (mīna) and मत्स्य (mátsya) are synonyms, both meaning "fish". There is a gap of some eighteen centuries between the records of the historical Matsya and those of the later Meena. --Lambiam 09:53, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Lambiam: If it's both the same, why the need to create separate pages? -- Karsan Chanda (talk) 14:39, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

We don't know if the Matsya of 600 BCE and the Meena of 1300 CE have anything in common other than a name meaning "fish" in Sanskrit and a geographical area. --Lambiam 17:36, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Help with finding sources on 2000 Taiwanese presidential election[edit]

Hello. I've been working on improving the above article and have hit a dead end regarding a few claims: some things that helped Chen to win, Li Ao's comment on "educating" the people, and whether candidates supported the three links. Only source for the second was a PRC government source and I'm not sure if that would be an acceptable source. The rest I have a feeling are behind Chinese or Taiwanese media, and I don't speak Mandarin or Min Nan. If someone who does speak one of these languages would be willing to dig for me it would be a help in probably getting this fully cited. Thanks. Duonaut^{(talk | contribs)} 02:51, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Li Ao said in an interview about his participation in the election, "This is a great opportunity to let people hear my ideas and see how I expose Taiwan's dark side."^[1] I suppose one could paraphrase that as "an opportunity to 'educate' the people". The first paragraph of the section 2000 Taiwanese presidential election § Aftermath lists several factors in favour of Chen, all referenced; is more needed? --Lambiam 10:31, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I will probably change the quote in question to a more accurate one then. As for the second part I was referring to the wrong thing: "The Chen-Lu ticket also promised to [...] provide more funding for social services, and to be more environmentally friendly, such as opposition to nuclear power." Didn't have to do with what won him the election. Thanks for the finding that quote. Duonaut^{(talk | contribs)} 05:30, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

We certainly should not say in Wikipedia's voice that opposition to nuclear power is "environmentally friendly"; that's a serious WP:NPOV violation. --Trovatore (talk) 06:00, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I believe that was intended to imply that it was the view of the ticket rather than the world at large. But I agree, not the best phrasing to do so. Any suggestions for rephrasing it? Or should I rewrite the two as separate somehow? Duonaut^{(talk | contribs)} 07:01, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]