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June 11[edit]

Can a pardon be rescinded or revoked?[edit]

I wanted to continue a follow-up question from a few days ago. It has now been archived. (See here: [1].) My follow-up question: once issued, can a pardon be rescinded? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 02:56, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

According to this opinion, the answer is no, once the pardon has been "signed, sealed and delivered". ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 03:13, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting. That is what I figured. It makes sense, common sense. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 04:24, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

What that opinion does not appear to make clear is that there are two sides to a pardon - it has to be offered and accepted. When someone accepts a pardon, they are implicitly admitting their guilt. There have been people so determined to prove their innocence that they have refused pardons. If a pardon could later be reversed, it would be impossible to ensure a fair trial as the previous acceptance of the pardon was, effectively, a guilty plea. Wymspen (talk) 07:05, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That writer, a law scholar, says "Delivery and acceptance are not required to make a pardon effective." ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 07:52, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Pardon me, but according to this Government of Canada document, "6,046 pardons were revoked or ceased to be in effect" between 1970 and 1998. Clarityfiend (talk) 08:38, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The writer I cited was talking about American law. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 14:20, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

As we Canadians are your double-secret-probationary overlords, obviously our laws take precedence. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:37, 13 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

My 5th grade history teacher actually told us he thinks the US will take over Canada within 200 years. He wasn't joking. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 14:13, 13 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The real lesson there is how safe it is to predict something that's 200 years in the future. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 22:03, 14 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Whether a pardon is revocable depends on applicable law. In the case of Isaac Toussie, the president purported to revoke a pardon that had not been delivered. Toussie did not sue, and the validity of the revocation remains unsettled, although some scholars are of the view that it was ineffective. John M Baker (talk) 13:07, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

What was ineffective? The pardon? Or the revocation? Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 03:35, 12 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Some scholars think the revocation was ineffective, but this is unsettled. John M Baker (talk) 13:09, 13 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, all. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 16:51, 14 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

this user enquires the names of philosophers whose works are on failure, deterministic nature of existence, control[edit]

knowledge should be found quickly in universeFAMASFREENODE (talk) 14:04, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Lists_of_philosophers. AllBestFaith (talk) 15:20, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]