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August 25[edit]

Tony Allen and the Champs[edit]

Hello, I wondered why this doo-wop musician doesn't have any information on Wikipedia - https://tims.blackcat.nl/messages/tony_allen.htm

Another source here https://secondhandsongs.com/artist/185842

His music seems enduringly popular (e.g. 1.6M plays of this video https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kOm4hSPLJd4)

Thank you! ElectronicsForDogs (talk) 23:02, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Why? Because (probably) no-one's thought of it before, and everything's done by volunteers – there's no professional Wikipedia editorial staff assigning tasks.

Wikipedia only summarises what has already been written about a subject at some length in published, reliable (competently edited) sources independently of that subject that demonstrate their Notability (which on Wikipedia means "well-documented", not "important" – see in particular Wikipedia:Notability (music)). Sources that are user-generated (like, ironically, Wikipedia itself), are not considered reliable.

Your first link has much useful information, if it can be verified, but it stems from a user-generated Yahoo group which is almost certainly not reliably edited. Your second is a valid reference that the subject recorded a particular song, but does nothing to establish the artist's notability, and the third likewise.

(YouTube videos are only reliable sources for notability if they are on the channel of an independent (of the subject) reputable organisation, like a professional News channel or respectable news journal, or of a recognised expert in the relevant field.)

If good sources do exist for this artist (and they don't have to be online – printed books and magazines are fine if they could in theory be consulted in, say, a public library) a viable article would possible and welcome. I think it likely that an artist born 1932 will have such sources – no WP:TOOSOON here!

I suggest you look for more sources (not just online) and then begin a Draft using WP:Your first article. Good luck! {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.198.140.169 (talk) 23:40, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]