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April 19[edit]

Recycle and re-use sound effects[edit]

In a few episodes of A Pup Named Scooby-Doo, I heard some sound effects that were recycled from The Dukes of Hazzard. They sounded like the General Lee driving away. The same ones were also used in a Cartoon Network promo featuring Johnny Bravo and Velma Dinkley. Towards the end of the promo, the Mystery Machine is driving away with Velma. Could anyone identify what sound effects I'm talking about, please? (In addition, I'm also interested in identifying other General Lee sound effects.) Thank you.2603:7000:8100:BD38:942E:1BFC:1505:3263 (talk) 01:40, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Can you even be sure it originated with Dukes of Hazzard? Some sound effects get used countless times. One example is called the Wilhelm scream. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 02:01, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I'm sure. I heard it hundreds of times on the show.2603:7000:8100:BD38:B020:9E36:1264:EE5E (talk) 03:56, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

But Bugs's question isn't whether it was used on the show, but whether it might've been used somewhere else earlier. --184.147.181.129 (talk) 07:19, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not that I know of. I only heard them on the show, that's it.2603:7000:8100:BD38:B020:9E36:1264:EE5E (talk) 09:46, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Just as there are "stock photos" there are Stock sound effects, and there are libraries of such sound effects that studios often purchase so they can use them for these purposes. It is possible that the same stock sound effect has been used in both programs. --Jayron 32 12:00, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Presumably this is about the putt-putt-vroom sound,^[1] not the Dixie horn signal.^[2] --Lambiam 12:07, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Once you've got a sound effect recorded, you can use it over and over. It's likely that they only recorded their "Dixie" horn once and then inserted it whenever appropriate. And there's no guarantee it didn't come from another source. Another example would be Mel Blanc's "barking" sound of the Flintstone's pet "Dino", which was not only used throughout the series, but also in the live-action movie. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 21:59, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

If you watch the Transformers and GI Joe cartoons from the 1980s you will hear many sound effects from the Star Wars movies. In one case, you can even hear a bit of the voice of Anthony Daniels as C-3PO. Why? Because the company making the cartoons also made the Muppet Babies cartoon, which had a Star Wars parody episode. For which the studio had acquired the rights to use the Star Wars sound effects library from George Lucas. --Khajidha (talk) 14:44, 20 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

About the Cartoon Network promo I was referring to, would this ^[3] be a little more helpful?2603:7000:8100:BD38:7D87:8CDE:8A48:FB8E (talk) 21:31, 20 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Or how about this video ^[4]?2603:7000:8100:BD38:44CE:6D7A:D7D:81D (talk) 10:21, 21 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

English football[edit]

Okay, dumb American question. Are the six teams threatening to join the ESL mean they are leaving the Premier league? I mean, I'm having a hard time seeing why all the hubub. Tiderolls 18:25, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No. The Super League is being touted as a rival to the UEFA Champions League. It's likely that UEFA would stop them joining that competition (which they're not too fussed about). The Super League is being organised to play midweekly so that clubs can still play in their domestic competitions. Nanonic (talk) 18:38, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

In addition.. UEFA and the domestic FAs are still in the posturing stage right now so are threatening to ban everyone and everything and stop all participants from playing in their leagues and cup competitions (Including all domestic English leagues and competitions) but nothings been agreed or ruled yet. It's all a PR exercise right now. Nanonic (talk) 18:45, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

So, in top-level soccer, there are often multiple leagues/tournaments/etc. running at the same time. Many teams play 2 games per week; the weekend games are reserved for domestic leagues (I.E. the Premier League, Serie A, La Ligua, etc.) and the other competitions run midweek. The new league is being run as a midweek league, so would not interfere with domestic play but would essentially pull the teams out of contention for playing in the UEFA Champions League, and other similar midweek leagues. --Jayron 32 18:50, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Since the OP stated they are American, the equivalent over there would be the CONCACAF Champions League. At least three Major League Soccer teams qualify to play in the CONCACAF (see also CONCACAF Champions League § North American Zone). Of course the CONCACAF, MLS, and for that matter the sport as a whole do not get as much media coverage in the U.S. as do American football, basketball and baseball. So the 2020 CONCACAF Champions League Final back in December between Los Angeles FC of MLS and Tigres UANL of Mexico's Liga MX was probably not on many Americans' radar or featured endlessly on ESPN. Zzyzx11 (talk) 02:43, 20 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Reason for the hubub: money, the league will generate a lot of revenue for the particpating teams (tv rights, a €3.5bn grant provided by investment bank JP Morgan...). 15 of the 20 teams (the founding 12, and 3 not yet known) don't have to qualify, they will participate every year. So those 15 teams will earn a lot more money than the teams they compete against in national and international competitions (like the England's Premier League), regardless of how they perform. And the league will likely draw global TV audiences away from existing leagues (England's Premier League, Italy's Serie A...), so the other clubs will lose revenue. Those 15 teams will be able to buy the best players, even more than before, creating a "closed shop" at the top of football, unreachable for the other teams. Prevalence 09:44, 20 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Professional sports are always about money. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 17:54, 20 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This will not just affect English football but minor teams all over Europe. --Lambiam 11:31, 20 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for all the info. Tiderolls 14:08, 20 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The six teams may not wish to leave the Premier League, but the League may (or may not) expel them, and/or they (and/or their players) may (or may not) be subjected to other sanctions by other footballing bodies such as the Football Association and the Professional Footballers' Association, or even to intervention by the Government. Other clubs in Spain and Italy are also involved in the proposed venture, so those countries' equivalent organisations, and European footballing authorities such as UEFA, will also be involved.

However, the situation is developing and volatile, so nothing is settled yet. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.219.35.136 (talk) 16:20, 20 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Functionally, they don't have to leave the Premier League, since the Super League would be a midweek league, and would not conflict with it. Whether or not the Premier League and/or the Football Associatio (or the domestic leagues of the non-English members) decide to sanction them in some way, such as kicking them out, would be a decision those leagues make, but it wouldn't be because the Super League interferes with domestic play. It does not. --Jayron 32 18:09, 20 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Neither I, nor anyone else above, have argued otherwise: objections to the Super League are based on ethical rather than functional grounds. In any case, this aspect is now moot as in the last few hours all six English clubs involved have withdrawn from the proposed Super League. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.219.35.136 (talk) 04:59, 21 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

James Corden explains it really well. --Lambiam 23:22, 20 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

As contrasted with Jimmy Fallon, who said last night that the average American reaction to this squabble is, "Whatever." ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 00:48, 21 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The opinions of a non-sports personality in a largely soccer-free country on a distant continent (or those of that country's 'average citizen') are not really relevant to what is a European sports issue. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.219.35.136 (talk) 04:59, 21 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It depends on where you are. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 08:09, 21 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I hear they now want to set up another organisation, the Super Furious Backpeddle League, to compete against the Tour de France. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:36, 22 April 2021 (UTC) [reply]

A counter to whateverism is the fact is that many of the uber-wealthy club owners are Americans, who have found out the hard way that sport doesn't work in the same strictly commercial way here, and that their European fan-base does need to be taken into account: European Super League collapse: US football owners badly misread supporter culture in England:

"While England and the US have a lot in common, the design and administration of field sports is not one of them. This very short-lived super league has demonstrated just how big these differences are... The sanctity of promotion and relegation is what sets European football apart from most American team sports. A super league in which the biggest teams automatically took part would have had devastating consequences for domestic leagues: weakened teams, meaningless fixtures, reduced attendance demand – the list goes on."

Alansplodge (talk) 08:16, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Whatever! ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 13:06, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

:-) Alansplodge (talk) 16:10, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not aware that in Britain some leagues restrict their matches to the weekend. As far as I know league matches and the various rounds of the FA Cup are played on convenient days throughout the week, although naturally most matches are on Saturday and the television companies have to be accommodated. However, no one has yet started a Sunday match after 5:30 PM, and many years ago there was no league or cup football on both Sundays and Thursdays. 91.125.11.41 (talk) 11:41, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That aspect was never fully explained: 'All matches will be played in midweek slots, with the clubs insistent they will be able to continue to play in their domestic leagues and “preserve the traditional domestic match calendar which remains at the heart of the club game”.' [5] Alansplodge (talk) 11:54, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]