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William S. Hart filmography[edit]

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Nominator(s): Jimknutt (talk) 15:05, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because William S. Hart was a major star in the early days of cinema and remains an important figure in the development of film in general and the Western genre in particular. The majority of his films were made over a century ago, but remain entertaining. I have done several other filmographies in the past (Gene Kelly, Mary Pickford, Tom Mix, John Ford, Michael Curtiz) and I believe I have reached near featured status with this one as well. Have a look! Jimknutt (talk) 15:05, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comments
  • " In 1917 Hart accepted a lucrative offer from Adolph Zukor to join Famous Players–Lasky, which merged into Paramount Pictures. In the films Hart began to ride a brown and white pinto he called Fritz." - this sentence doesn't seem to have a source
    • Sourced the Famous Players-Lasky fact. Can't find any source for the Fritz item, so I dropped it.
  • The date for A Bullet for Berlin looks decidedly odd......
    • Doggone! I thought I fixed that! Well, it is now.
  • That's all I got! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:07, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:13, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Pseud 14[edit]

  • I would add {{abbr|Ref.|Reference}} in the table header for the Ref column
    • Added
  • While not an FLC requirement, suggest adding alt text to the lead image
    • Added
  • Suggest moving the gallery after the table, since it appears to be more decorative. (similar to Clint Eastwood filmography)
    • Moved
  • That's all from me, the prose is well-written and I enjoyed reading his work on this era of films. Pseud 14 (talk) 16:26, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Pseud 14 (talk) 21:47, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from MyCatIsAChonk

I'll do a review (probably) tomorrow; just some first things I spot: MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 00:45, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Jimknutt, finished with my review for now. I shuffled around my comments and added small headers, so they're in a mildly comprehensible order. Once the comments below are addressed, I'll do a spotcheck. MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 12:27, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Formatting/Templates
Prose
  • In the gallery below the table, "White Oak" links to a disambig page
    • Now properly linked
  • Add spaces then endash to "(1864-1946)", per MOS:ENTO
    • enash added
  • The third paragraph of the lead is uncited
    • Citation now added
  • Much of para two is uncited as well. Unless ref 6 supports everything there, some more need to be added.
    • Citations now added
  • In 1917 Hart accepted... - comma after 1917
    • Comma added
Citations
  • Ref titles should still use italics for titles of films and other works, per MOS:CONFORMTITLE
    • Ref titles are now in italics
  • Also per MOS:CONFORMTITLE, ref titles should use consistent casing (sentence case or title case). As most refs use title case, some need to be corrected to match (e.g. ref 2)
    • Titles are now consistant; ref 2 has been corrected
  • Publishers/work names should remain consistent throughout (e.g. ref 13 lists the work as "American Film Institute (AFI)" but many other refs list it as just "AFI"; pick one and keep it consistent- same with "Library of Congress" in ref 10 but "LOC" in ref 40)
    • All are uniform now; all American Film Institute listings are under "AFI" whereas are Librar of Congress listings are "LOC"
  • In some cases, the works listed in citations should actually be under the "Publisher" parameter, so that it isn't italicized. Specifically, I'm talking about the AFI, but there may be others I'm missing.
    • All changed to publisher where appropriate
  • In citations, all the publishers/works should be wikilinked or none should be wikilinked. Seeing as most are not linked, remove wikilinks from refs 3 through 6.
    • Wikilinks have been removed in refs 3 thru 6.
  • Ref 1: I have numerous problems with this citation. It's not correctly formatted, convert it to {{cite magazine}}. Additionally, it fails Wikipedia's verifiability requirement. After investigating numerous websites and Variety issues via Internet Archive, I cannot find this obituary (unless I simply missed it, which is always a likely scenario). I suggest replacing it, or adding a link.
    • The format has been corrected; the reference is there, so please look again
  • Ref 2: "LA Times" should not be in the "via" slot- move to "name of publication" or similar. Also, spell it out fully (Los Angeles Times)
    • This has been corrected
  • Refs 3, 4, 5: add page numbers
    • page numbers added; also merged into one footnote to make it more consist with the rest of the article
  • Ref 6: lowercase, per MOS:CONFORMTITLE
    • Are you sure of this one?; the ref is to "harvnb|Koszarski"
    • I think that's all. 21:51, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
Spotcheck
  • Ref 2 (King 2011): good
  • Ref 8 (The Mercury 1942): good
  • Ref 11 (Hollywood Walk of Fame 2019): good
  • Ref 13 (National Film Preservation Board): good
  • Ref 36 (for The Disciple): good
  • Ref 41 (for The Apostle of Vengeance): good
  • Ref 54 (for The Silent Man): good
  • Ref 78 (for White Oak): good

All come up good. I'm not particularly worried about any of the AFI or LOC citations, which is why half the checks were on citations in the lead.

@Jimknutt: One more thing, unrelated to the spotcheck: I notice that for a number of films in the table, Hart is not listed as a director, writer, or producer, and the notes do not clarify his role. How was he in these films? MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 14:35, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    • Hart was an actor and the star of these film. There is no need to list anything in the notes since the character he played is clearly listed in the "Role" column. Jimknutt (talk) 15:32, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
      Now I understand. Happy to support- great job! MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 01:07, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
      Thanks for the support! Jimknutt (talk) 03:14, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Image review – All of the photos used are valid public domain images and the lead photo has alt text following the request earlier in the FLC. This aspect of the article looks okay to me. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:43, 23 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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