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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted by User:Scorpion0422 04:49, 30 May 2008 [1].

Supergrass discography[edit]

Discography of the much loved Britpop band, Supergrass. The list covers all of their records and a list of their music videos.

Thanks, --TwentiethApril1986 (talk) 19:18, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Matthew

Comments

  • Per WP:BOLDTITLE, do not wikilink the bold part of the lead section  Done
  • Per WP:LS, the lead section needs expanding. Another paragraph covering any awards received , or controversies over the albums etc etc should do it
  • Per MOS:NUM, numbers should be written out or given as digits consistently. Per the MOS, numbers under 10 must be written out. Any number above ten that is either one or two words (such as 21 and 27) can be written out or given as digits, as long as it is consistent. Right now there's a "6", a "seven", a "one", a "1", a "27", a "21", an "eight" and a "9"  Done
  • "with their hit single "Alright"" hit is WP:PEACOCKY  Done
  • Clear the first section a little more down the page so that infobox doesn't squash the albums section  Done
  • Per WP:DASH, to indicate the releases that did not chart, use an mdash (—), not a hyphen  Done
  • Per WP:CHART, the order of Peak chart positions should be: home country first, followed by all others alphabetically  Done
  • The compilation album table has an extra empty column that should be removed  Done
  • Per MOS:DISCOG, bootlegs should not be included unless they are official releases, in which case record label and catalogue number should be available. Also, they should each be referenced because none have their own articles  Done
  • Check out the Australian singles charts, because I think some charted there. Have you checked other European countries too? I'm surprised that except for "Cheapskate", no single charted outside of the UK  Done
  • Per WP:ALBUMCAPS, "Caught By the Fuzz" should be "Caught by the Fuzz". "Caught In The Act" → "Caught in the Act". "Naughty By Nature" → "Naughty by Nature". "Never Done Nothing Like That Before" → "Never Done Nothing Like that Before"  Done
  • I'm unconvinced about "Just Got Back Today by The Jennifers being included as the band consisted of some, but not all the Supergrass members and so are not the same band  Done
  • Can catalogue numbers and record label details be found for the singles?  Done
  • While I like the notes about the music videos, I feel some of it is too WP:TRIVIAL to warrant being included.  Done
  • IMDB is user-edited, ∴ not a reliable source
  • I have removed the IMDb source. The only other source I could find was TV.com which is the same I suppose. --TwentiethApril1986 (talk) 17:23, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

While it's on it's way to being featured, there are too many WP:MOS and prose errors for it to pass the WP:WIAFL, specifically, Cr. 1, 2 and 5, so it's an oppose from me. -- Matthewedwards (talk · contribs · count · email) 23:48, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A second reason I oppose is because the FLC came a day after the peer review was requested, which is a no-no. The FLC process shouldn't be used as a PR bypass -- Matthewedwards (talk · contribs · count · email) 01:06, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Still to be done/Additional comments (All new comments signed)

  • Per MOS:DISCOG, only songs made especially for soundtracks and compilations should be given, rather than every instance an album track was used. (See also WP:NOTCATALOG and WP:IINFO
  • Still, most songs can be found on original Supergrass albums. Only "We Still Need More (Than Anyone Can Give)", "Oracle" and "Don't Be Cruel" should be listed. The three should then be referenced, and remember to update the lead section where it talks about nine contributions which itself is misleading because only 3 songs were original contribs, the others were simply licensed from the albums Matthewedwards (talk · contribs · count · email) 07:30, 23 May 2008 (UTC)  Done[reply]
  • I have referenced "We Still Need More (Than Anyone Can Give)" and "Don't Be Cruel" but couldn't find a source for "Oracle". --TwentiethApril1986 (talk) 16:49, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have added an EAN for the Mike Bassett: England Manager OST. I'm not sure if that's a good enough source. --TwentiethApril1986 (talk) 16:57, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep using it for now, WP:CHART is really meant for single song/album articles and is not relevant here. Besides, I think you've misunderstood when component charts are to be excluded. indopug (talk) 17:04, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't see why. You've made conflicting comments here and at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Foo Fighters discography/archive2 about the same thing. I also don't see why WP:CHART is irrelevant here. It deals with charts, and discogs utilises charts. Their positioning should reflect that. My personal preference would be home country, then alphabetical order of English language charts followed by foreign lang charts, but policy overrules that, too.
  • Is there any chart/sales information for the Live album and EPs?
  • The live album was a digital download for iTunes so I don't think sales for that can be found out. Same with the EPs. --TwentiethApril1986 (talk) 23:46, 26 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Since the EPs don't have Wikipedia articles of their own, they should all be referenced
  • I have put "Information taken from iTunes Store UK" at the bottom of the EPs table.

For now my oppose still stands Matthewedwards (talk · contribs · count · email) 07:30, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Is cite 9 reliable? Also, Diamond Hoo Ha has charted in France. Tenacious D Fan (talk) 11:27, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Which one would that be now? The cites have changed around. I have added the french album charts. Indeed Diamond Hoo Ha did chart there. --TwentiethApril1986 (talk) 17:25, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose lead is too short. See The Libertines discography indopug (talk) 09:19, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

They have sixx albums, but the lead only discusses as far as the second. Remove the catalogue.release info from the singles. Despite what the above reviewer said, including so much detail for singles is contrary to existing discography standards. indopug (talk) 21:03, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Why can't standards be raised? The beauty of Wikipedia is that it is an ever-changing thing, and we're always seeking to improve. Including the same details on singles as albums is simply consistent. (Also there's quite a few older discogs that should be brought to FLRC. Matthewedwards (talk · contribs · count · email) 07:30, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm still working on the lead... How much detail do I need to put in the singles? Release date and label? --TwentiethApril1986 (talk) 21:13, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I was referring the Singles table; check the Libertines link i gave you. That pretty much follows all requirements. indopug (talk) 21:39, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, for now. Looks pretty good, but it does need some work:

Resolved stuff from Drewcifer
  • The only place Supergrass has certified is in the UK. So I don't think it's necessary to call the column(s) "Certifications" then have UK in parenthesis in each cell. Instead, howabout renaming the columns BPI certifications then taking out all the instances of "(UK)"?  Done
  • "Digital download exclusive to iTunes" might be better-worded as "iTunes exclusive digital download".  Done
  • Parlaphone shouldn't be wikilinked in Compilation albums.  Done
  • I don't think the catalog numbers need their own line. Just put them after the label name.
  • I usualy put something like "Label: Parlapahone (PCS #7373)" Drewcifer (talk) 23:12, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Dates should be in the international format, not the American format. ie. DD Month YYYY.
  • Well, whatever you did, the Studio albums table looks good to me now. Drewcifer (talk) 23:10, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Live albums table needs the year column on the left.
  • Ideally, similar columns between tables should be a consistent width.
  • There needs to be a legend explaining what the — means in the charts. Something like "—" denotes releases that did not chart.  Done
The Compilation albums still needs the legend. Drewcifer (talk) 16:40, 26 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • The chart column of Compilation albums is a little problematic: first, I don't think a header and a sub-header are necessary here. Just call the column "UK Albums peak position" or something like that. Also the second release needs a —.  Done
There's still two headers, the second one just has the citation in it. Drewcifer (talk) 16:40, 26 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Japan only" is kind of vague and a little unhelpful.  Done
I didn't mean you should remove, it just reword to something like "Released in Japan only" or something like that. Drewcifer (talk) 16:40, 26 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • The charts columns in the singles table should look more like the chart columns in the Studio albums table.  Done
The chart names need to be abbreviated, since they're awfully long. Take a look at other FL discogs to get an idea of what abbreviations are usually used for particular charts. Drewcifer (talk) 16:40, 26 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Singles don't need label and release date info.
  • I question this also. I think espically release date info is required, and for consistency lable and catalogue number (though that could be left for MOS:DISCOG talk page. Matthewedwards (talk · contribs · count · email) 07:30, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Try and merge similar cells in the Album column in the Singles table. Also don't bother wikilinking them, since they're already linked above.
  • Also try merging cells in the Director column in the Music videos table.
Like what you did with the years column of the singles table. Drewcifer (talk) 23:46, 26 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • The in-line citations need a bit of work. All should give accessdate, publisher, and author if applicable. Also, consider doing {{reflist|2}} Drewcifer (talk) 22:46, 21 May 2008

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  • Be sure to add a "— denotes albums that did not chart." somewhere in the article like how The Libertines discography article has. Andrzejbanas (talk) 18:03, 22 May 2008 (UTC)  Done[reply]
  • Oppose, not enough in-line citations for the list itself. GreenJoe 23:59, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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