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The list was promoted by The Rambling Man 15:50, 6 October 2009 [1].

List of songs in Guitar Hero 5[edit]

Nominator(s): MASEM (t) 15:44, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Another Guitar Hero game, another song list. This one reasonably should have its own article as there's a large # of songs and downloadable content which will continue to fill in the last table. All the usual aspects of previous GH lists have been kept consistent here. MASEM (t) 15:44, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: I don't know much about this whole FLC business, but are constantly updated lists in line with 1e? That list of downloadable content will probably be updated very regularly. If this has been discussed and decided already, I apologize for bringing it up. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 01:19, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • I didn't know there was a 1e for FL, but assuming you meant the stability, I have had other GH lists pass before FL with the noted fact that the downloadable content will continue to expand, but assumed that they were judged on the basis that the setup for the DLC was in a format that would be able to meet the continued expansion. So in this case, I'm presenting how the first month of DLC has been given (following the same formats from other GH lists), with the anticipation it will grow. Also, this is not like speculative content: Activision announces what this is usually at the start of the month, and its added and it stays (give or take an odd delay on a song). It's stable in the sense there's no guesswork once the announcement is given - and nothing is added until that announcement. --MASEM (t) 01:48, 10 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Okay. If that's how it works, then sorry for bothering you. Guess I should stay out of FLC until I fully understand it. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 20:44, 10 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • Never a stupid question. And someone else may see it as an issue so it's completely fair to consider. --MASEM (t) 02:52, 11 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:21, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)
Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)
  • I performed moderately intensive copy-editing in places; hope I didn't screw anything up.
  • "the project director of the game" Do you mean the director in charge of development? It wasn't clear.
  • "Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers"-->Tom Petty and The Heartbreakers
  • "Make It Wit Chu"-->"Make It wit Chu"
  • "Plug in Baby"-->"Plug In Baby"
  • "Gamespot"--GameSpot
  • Since the downloadable content table is sortable, the song pack refs need to be added to every song. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:30, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I think there was one small style html element syntax that was removed but I caught and fixed that. All the above have been taken care of (Bright is the game's director). --MASEM (t) 16:38, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:30, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support, all issues resolved. Goodraise 23:48, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Goodraise 23:48, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, fails criterion 2. The lead cannot "stand alone as a concise overview of the article." It states details about the game's gameplay, which are neither mentioned in the rest of the article, nor necessary to understand it. On the other hand, it says essentially nothing about the article's actual topic, the songs in Guitar Hero 5. Goodraise 05:50, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • In previous noms of GH lists for FLC, I have been asked to include a brief snippet about what the game is about before going actually into the songs. I agree that technically, no gameplay info is needed to understand the article, but as been pointed out in previous reviews, helps to establish enough context to allow this to be standalone. However, I will edit the lede a bit to summarize a bit more of the actual songlist details. --MASEM (t) 12:46, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • I agree that the lead could summarize the list more, but generally, FL leads are given a bit of leeway in having content not mentioned in the body of the article to provide context for the reader. Dabomb87 (talk) 13:17, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Yes. I didn't mean to say it should all be removed. However, even after recent edits, I find the lead puts too much weight on the gameplay and too little on the article's actual topic. I'll strike my opposition, but I am not yet willing to support. Goodraise 18:34, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • I've tried to add a bit more to summarize the other parts of the list (about the songs, and critics reaction to the songs) in the lede to balance more. --MASEM (t) 01:11, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]


  1. Some reference have repeated wikilinks of publishers, which should be restricted to the first mention of the publisher in the reference.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 20:00, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Why is the year column given for the main setlist but not downloadable content. --Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 20:00, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  3. What does Band Gig mean?--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 20:00, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • I've added a year column for the songs that are out. I will note in the past that the only way to have gotten the true year (not just by guessing based on song name) was to actually buy the song to see the details in the game, but in GH5, they are presented in the store, so this can be added easily. The first table final column shold be "Career Venue" which I've fixed. On repeating wikilinks to publishers in the sources, my understanding is that these should actually be kept if there is rearrangement of the sources within the article as to avoid the issue of a latter ref from a repeat publisher appearing first yet not being wikilinked. (Much as the same reason each line in the table needs to standalone with both respect to references and to wikilinks). --MASEM (t) 21:39, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Why aren't the Year of the downloadable content added?--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 19:57, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Presently (early Oct) we know what songs will be added through the month, but these announcements do not tell us what year the song was recorded; that information is learned when the song is added to the download list within the game. While 90% of the time we can guess right based on knowing the original release date of the song, if they throw live versions or remasters, that will be a different date. Thus, the songs missing years are those not yet released and that we cannot confirm what version they will be using. --MASEM (t) 20:33, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Expand the Downloadable content lead a bit. How many songs in total are new to GH5 download and give an explanation Sentence regarding what the downloadable content list contains.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 19:57, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Well, we have no idea how many songs will be downloadable content - this list continues to grow each month, likely until the next major title is released next year. So there's really no way to expand this without speculation. --MASEM (t) 20:33, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Aren't the downloaded songs hosted in Venues? How do they work?
    No; only the on-disc songs are arranged in career mode in venues, but in all other gameplay modes, any song can be played in any venue. The use of the venues in the on-disk list is to provide an idea of the difficulty of the game (earlier venues are easier than latter ones). --MASEM (t) 20:33, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Why not create an Album column? --Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 19:57, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    The album source for the songs is not listed in-game or not. Thus, there's no way to associate the songs with an album. --MASEM (t) 20:33, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  5. When was Guitar Hero 5 released?--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 19:57, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    This year, but I'll add that. --MASEM (t) 20:33, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  6. The 152 of the 158 songs, where they all initially released online or where they made available over time?--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 19:57, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Those were the songs released over the last year for World Tour, but all were immediately available at launch for GH5. I'll clear that up. --MASEM (t) 20:33, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  7. I don't get section importable content. Isn't this the same as downloadable content? These are downloadable songs or packs right? Or does the user have to buy the world tour CD to download the songs from the internet?--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 19:57, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    You would have to buy the original games to be able to access the content, which does need to be downloaded but is not treated as regular downloaded content that any player of GH5 can access. --MASEM (t) 20:33, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  8. "As of the date of the game's release" maybe "On the game's release day" ?
  9. The empty Year cells should have either em-dashes, TBD or TBA ...-Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 21:04, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  10. Reference "Downloaded songs can be used in all game modes, provided all players have the song, including in the game's Career mode when players are given the option to select any song to play." --Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 21:04, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • First two are fixed. I'm having a hard time coming with a ref for the statement asked, but I may find that in the manual. It is stated as one plays the game (it warns you right there all players must have the DLC songs, so it's not really a controversal fact). --MASEM (t) 00:10, 7 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I was wondering why some DLC didn't have years attached, but you explained that fine above. Couple comments though. Staxringold talkcontribs 01:22, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • The note about the DLC inaccessible in PAL regions for Wii needs a source.
  • How the heck does Woman from Tokyo not have an article?
    • Having trouble sourcing the Wii DLC in PAL regions; no good source that say that's the case nor am I in a position to check. --MASEM (t) 00:10, 7 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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