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The list was not promoted by NapHit 03:23, 7 December 2012 [1].

List of first-class cricket quadruple centuries[edit]

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Nominator(s): Harrias talk 23:26, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A second visit for this list. It was featured between 2006 and 2009, but in that format it fell significantly short of our current guidelines. I've tidied it up, completely rewritten the lead and brought it back for another shot. Certainly a noteworthy topic, and if only those centuries at Taunton had been scored for Somerset...

In the featured list removal discussion, it was primarily taken down as being a 3b violation, but I think in this format it certainly stands-alone as a list. The information presented here would not be suitable in a more encompassing article on cricket records, and serves to create a more engaging article. In my opinion anyway! Harrias talk 23:26, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Zia Khan 19:02, 21 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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  • I think 4 paras are too much for such a list with only 10 entries. Looks like an article.
  • "...and struck one six and 64 fours during his innings, ..." → "..and struck 1 six and 64 fours during his innings,.." or "...and struck one six and sixty-four fours during his innings,..."
  • "not out" is overlinked.
  • Removed one link: I think a link at the start of the prose, and one in the key is appropriate. Harrias talk 17:09, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Their opposition, Kathiawar,..." → Whose opposition?
  • Maharashtra. It says so five words earlier. Harrias talk 17:09, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • A link to "deliveries".
  • "Ten years later, Lara became..." → From when? You didn't mention the year Lara scored 501 runs.
  • Baluchistan → Balochistan
  • Our Wikipedia article, although location at Balochistan acknowledges in the lead that it can be spelt either way, and my source spells it "Baluchistan", so I would prefer to follow that. Harrias talk 17:09, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • It would be better if you provide a refs to the matches in which 400s were scored.
  • Why? Ref #1 covers all the information provided in the table: I don't see why another ten superfluous references are needed? Harrias talk 17:09, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • OK, this was just a suggestion. Zia Khan 19:32, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Zia Khan 16:34, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • You may mention that players are sorted by their last name
  • I don't think that is necessary: I would always expect a list to sort by last name. The only contention is whether it is sorting by the appropriate name for the Pakistani players, but I'm not sure on that myself. Harrias talk 17:09, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hanif Mohammad is commonly known by his first name, I think. Zia Khan 19:31, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support– Good work. Zia Khan 19:29, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

[dusting myself off] It has been a while, but I saw this this list was recently "expanded" by -1,382 bytes.  No doubt it needed some work, and it is good to have a longer prose introduction, but quite a lot of material that was in the old version before the "expansion" has been lost.  Perhaps some of it should be reinstated?  Most of that information can be gleaned directly from the scorecards (what the match position was, who won, who batted with whom), and no doubt sources can be found for the information that is "citation needed".  For example, for MacLaren, "This was the first quadruple century in first-class cricket, and remains the highest first-class innings by an English player.[citation needed]"   These are obvious from Cricinfo's list of highest first-class scores.

As a general point, I think we should be aiming for consistency of content and presentation between the various lists, including in particular List of Test cricket triple centuries, but also List of Test cricket hat-tricks and List of One Day International cricket hat-tricks (all featured).  The {{cricket records}} template also links to List of Test cricket centuries scored on debut which is not featured but is also similar in format to these lists.

For example:

  • Would it not be helpful for the article to include a link to a scorecard for each match, like the old version did and all of those other lists mentioned above do?  External links in tables may be deprecated - although all but one of the lists mentioned above do it that way - but I would assert that it is much more useful for a reader to have the links where they can be picked out easily and followed, rather than buried down in the footnotes.
  • Might it be helpful to mention which innings in the match the batsman was batting in when he scored the quadruple century?  For the record, that is four in the first innings of the match, five in the second, but only Bradman in the third (that is, his team's second innings, and NSW still won the match!).
  • What competition was each match a part of? (Obviously this is a factor that is not relevant for the Test and ODI lists, but most of these matches are part of domestic championships.)
  • Seven of the entries in the "balls faced" column are apparently unknown (I have not checked, but CricketArchive gives a figure of 465 balls for Bradman[2]).  Is it useful to give the three that are recorded to the reader, in preference to the other facts mentioned above?
  • Why is the start date of the match relevant?  The old version of the list noted the days when the batsman was actually on the pitch, scoring the runs.  For example, Lara's 501 is all the more remarkable for starting on the second day of a four-day match (Friday 3 June 1994), missing the third day due to bad weather, then a rest day on the Sunday, and completing his innings towards the end of the last day (Monday 6 June).[3]
  • The list includes the highest first-class scores by batsmen from the West Indies (Lara), Pakistan (Mohammad), Australia (Bradman), India (Nimbalkar), and England (MacLaren).  What are the highest scores for the other Test nations?
  • Perhaps it might be worth mentioning that Naved Latif scored 394 in 2000, and Stephen Cook scored 390 in 2009 (I think that is the South African record).  I think the records for a batsman from New Zealand and Sri Lanka are Bert Sutcliffe's 284 in 1952, and Mahela Jayawardene's 374 in 2006.  Zimbabwe's might be David Houghton's 266 in 1994?  Bangladesh?

Hope some of this helps. -- Testing times (talk) 00:17, 27 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • I will respond in more depth later, but as a quick comment: there are currently over 175 triple centuries in first-class cricket, so I don't foresee that such an article would be a feasible creation. My rationale for the continued existence of this list is that to include the level of detailed information presented in the lead of this article for each record on List of first-class cricket records would very quickly make that page unwieldy and extremely difficult to utilise. Harrias talk 07:42, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Given the issues raised by User:Testing times and User:Giants2008, I'd like to withdraw this list as a featured list candidate for the time being to give myself some time to analyse the comments made and improve it through a peer review, and possibly return. Any changes I make now are going to be "fixes" rather than solutions, so I think this is the best way of resolving the potential issues. Harrias talk 22:31, 4 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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