Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of current Canadian senators
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The list was promoted by User:Matthewedwards 02:46, 24 December 2008 [1].
List of current Canadian senators[edit]
I'm back to my favorite type of list - the kind without 50+ images. Even if I wanted, an image for every entrant, my guess is that maybe 5 at most actually have free images. Anyway, all concerns will be addressed by me, have fun reviewing. -- Scorpion0422 15:27, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from SRX
Comments
- Approval of both the House of Commons and the Senate is necessary for legislation, the Senate provides a "sober second-thought." - there is no connection here, like as the Senate" or because the Senate or since the Senate. It reads awkwardly in this way.
- The prose gives a lot of background information but it doesn't sum up the list, ie. The first senator, the first senator of this party, other significant senators, the most recent one, etc.--SRX 15:58, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
- Comments
- Don't begin sentences with numbers per WP:MOS
- Fixed.
- "legislation, the" – "legislation; the"
- Done.
- "thought."" – "thought"."
- Done.
- "the prime minister and Cabinet" – "the Prime Minister and Cabinet" (bump the Prime Minister link from the bottom to the top, here)
- Done.
- Should "lower house" be "Lower House"?
- Fixed
- I don't think it should be. The word "House" by itself can be capitalized because it is short for the full name "House of Commons", but "lower house" is just a description of House of Commons, not a name in and of itself. --Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 16:34, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Fixed
- Should every mention of "house" be capitalized?
- Fixed.
- capitalize "Prime Minister" throughout
- Per Wikipedia:Manual of Style (capital letters)#Titles, it should only be capitalized when talking about a specific person (ie. Prime Minister Stephen Harper).
Gary King (talk) 16:10, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from BomBom
- I don't know much about Canadian history, which I think is an advantage for reviewing the list, whose aim is to be of use to ill-informed readers. Here are a few comments:
- The list cites the List of senators in the 40th Parliament of Canada in its See also section. However, it seems to me that the 40th Parliament is the current Parliament, right? Therefore, I don't understand what's the point of having duplicate lists with each one citing the other in its See also section.
- Well, the 40th Parliament list also includes Senators that have resigned/retired/changed parties during the current session, so I think it's a relevant link.
- The lead section is too long in my opinion. One way to shorten it would be to remove the section devoted to criticism of the Senate and its proposed reform. It is a bit overlong and out of place here. Since there's a whole Wikipedia article that deals with this topic, I think that one or two sentences summing up the issue would be enough.
- I disagree, the proposed reform has a lot to do with the Senate right now, it provides a background for why there are so many vacant spots at the moment.
- Some points should be stated much more clearly. For instance, it took me a while to understand that the whole Senate was a non-elected body. I think this should be stated explicitly very early in the article. For instance, in the second sentence: The Senate [is a non-elected body] that came into existence in 1867.
- Done.
- The article does not give any information whatsoever about the proportion of women in the current Senate. It would be also interesting to know whether any of the current members come from so-called visible minorities.
- I'll see what I can do.
- Shouldn't the notes be listed in a separate Notes section?
- Possibly, but I've never really liked having notes sections, I prefer to keep them in the relevant sections.
- Why isn't there a publisher for Ref#8?
- Human error. I accidently listed the publisher (CBC) as the title.
- The sorting function in the statistics table doesn't function properly. Either remove it or try to fix it (I think there's a problem with the "colspan" feature).
- Right, I meant to remove that, but I forgot. Done.
- The list cites the List of senators in the 40th Parliament of Canada in its See also section. However, it seems to me that the 40th Parliament is the current Parliament, right? Therefore, I don't understand what's the point of having duplicate lists with each one citing the other in its See also section.
However, this is a good list overall. Nice job. Regards. BomBom (talk) 15:02, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support since all of my comments seem to have been taken into account. BomBom (talk) 00:10, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from KV5
- Comments from Killervogel5
- "retirment"-"retirement"
- Fixed
- Why doesn't the Yukon have senators?
- The senator for the Yukon, Ione Christensen, retired in 2006, and Harper has not replaced her yet. Added to article.
- Is there a definition or article for Senate Whip?
- Link added.
- longest," - "longest;"
- Fixed.
- What is "NDP" in the key? It should be spelled out at least once.
- Fixed.
- Double links in the lead: Quebec, British Columbia, Yukon, Nova Scotia, New Brunswick.
- Fixed.
Other than that, extremely well done. What a lead! KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 22:57, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support from KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on!. Cheers!
Comments
- Ref. 7 (Harper appoints first elected Senator) is redirected to a page type "pay-to-see more"; If the mini-text that I saw, cover the reference on the list, okay.
- Refs. 10 (Harper names Lauzon as Tory caucus chair) & 17 (New federal cabinet list) "gone".
- The other sources looks good, checked with the Checklinks tool. Cannibaloki 03:10, 6 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs) Don't know how I missed this one, anyway...
- "Seats are assigned on a regional basis, with each of the four major regions receiving 24 seats"—That "with + -ing" sentence structures is ungrammatical.
- Fixed.
- "In his time as prime minister, he has
onlyappointed two."- It was suggested on the talk page that I add only, but okay, I'll remove it.
- "One of the most proposed systems is the Triple-E Senate (Triple-E stands for equal, elected, and effective) which would re-align the seats, make senators elected, and give them more powers." Comma after the close parenthesis.
- Done.
- "The province of Quebec has 24 Senate divisions which are constitutionally mandated." "which"-->that.
- Done.
- The Leader of Government notations need symbols with the colors as there is no accompanying text. Dabomb87 (talk) 03:33, 15 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Well, they kind of are already, each of the leaders has a ref next to it, which links to a note explaining their position.
- Thanks for taking a look. -- Scorpion0422 04:05, 15 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note Please fix the dab link. Dabomb87 (talk) 00:04, 22 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment
- Does the lead really need 4 huge paragraphs for this type of article? -- SRE.K.A
nnoyomous.L.24[c] 00:03, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Having a long lead is not a bad thing as long as it have good info.—Chris! ct 03:02, 19 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Chris, I didn't say it was a bad thing, but having a 4 paragraph list is just too big from my perspective. -- SRE.K.A
nnoyomous.L.24[c] 03:42, 19 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Chris, I didn't say it was a bad thing, but having a 4 paragraph list is just too big from my perspective. -- SRE.K.A
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