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The list was promoted by Giants2008 via FACBot (talk) 00:25, 26 November 2018 (UTC) [1].[reply]

List of cities and towns in South Carolina[edit]

List of cities and towns in South Carolina (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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Nominator(s): Mattximus (talk) 15:11, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I am continuing my project of standardizing all lists of municipalities in North America. Thanks to the reviews of many wikipedians, this will follow 20 (!) successful nominations (such as: Montana, Alabama). This one may need some copyediting and rewording in the lead for readability, but nothing that can't be tweaked during the review process. I have modeled this list off of other promoted lists so it should be of the same high standard but there are always improvements. Thanks again for your input. Mattximus (talk) 15:11, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from TompaDompa
  1. As usual, I think the numerical values are overly precise per MOS:UNCERTAINTY.
    This is different from the Mexican area figures which had 3 decimal places (all were cut down to 2 decimal places). The US Census publishes accurate area figures to the precision of 2 decimal places, and this is the standard for all US articles and lists as far as I can tell. Also you wouldn't be able to tell which cities are bigger since many will now show the same area if the 2 decimals are reduced to 1 decimal, also screwing up the sorting button since it will default to alphabetical.
  2. I'd try not to place "waste management" and "water management" next to each other. It sort of becomes a stumbling block when reading. I'd suggest "waste and water management".  Done
  3. One instance of "mayor" is written with a capital "M", and the rest are written with a minuscule "m".  Done
  4. providean is a typo and should be two words.  Done
  5. I have to say that the descriptions of the three forms of government are mostly confusing.
    Based on the second reviewer below, I've made changes to the descriptions. I think it reads better now, but perhaps more can be done to improve readability? Any suggestions?
    I wish I could help, but since I don't really understand the differences, I can't say how to make the differences clearer. Sorry about that. TompaDompa (talk) 10:49, 30 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  6. There are a couple of references preceded by spaces in the WP:LEAD.  Done
  7. The symbols should be inside the coloured fields in the legend. Use the |text= parameter. Done
  8. There should be no empty cells in the table. They should replaced with {{N/A}}, {{N/A|Unavailable}}, or {{Unknown}} as appropriate. The ones that say "NA" should also use the template.
    Thanks for pointing this out. I forgot that this was discussed before and the conclusion was to use the Template: ntsh instead of NA since it retains it's sortability. I've made all the changes so it is now consistent.
  9. The town incorporated on 2012 should either give the full date or say "in 2012".  Done
  10. The town incorporated on March 6, 2008 and is thus not represented in the 2010 census. – that should be the 2000 census, right?  Done

TompaDompa (talk) 22:06, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Great catches! Thanks for taking the time to review, will finish up with the rest of the comments later. Mattximus (talk) 22:36, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
All comments addressed, thanks again! Mattximus (talk) 15:06, 29 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from ChrisTheDude
  • " seven or nine members including the mayor all elected " - needs commas round "all elected" Done
  • "and the has power to levy taxes to match the budget" - word order is a bit mangled here  Done
  • "Under the council-manager form of government the council composed of a mayor and four" - missing word? Done
  • "and for a general survey of municipal business" - doesn't seem to make sense - is there a word missing? Done
  • Don't need to link Columbia twice in consecutive sentences Done
  • Can't spot anything in the table -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:30, 28 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your review! I know the prose does not read as smoothly as it could, but I've made all your changes and think it sounds better already. Mattximus (talk) 14:45, 29 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from Aoba47
  • I would include ALT text for the top image.  Done
  • Why break up the following phrases (the Southern United States) into two links when it could be done with a single link (i.e. Southern United States)?
  • This link was left in since it's the only link the the USA in the entire article.
  • For this sentence (According to the 2010 United States Census, South Carolina is the 24th most populous state with 4,625,401 inhabitants but the 40th largest by land area spanning 30,060.70 square miles (77,856.9 km2) of land.), I would put a comma after the word "residents". Done
  • Would it be helpful to include a more up-close image of the state along with the image of the state in the context of the country as a whole (i.e. as done in List of municipalities in Florida)?
  • Absolutely yes! I've been searching for a map just like this but could not find one anywhere....

Great work with this list. Once all of my comments are addressed, I will support this for promotion. If you have time, I would greatly any feedback on my current FLC. Hope you are having a wonderful start to your week. Aoba47 (talk) 01:25, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your review! I will try to get to yours by next weekend. Mattximus (talk) 13:35, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you for addressing everything. I support this for promotion. Aoba47 (talk) 18:22, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Dudley[edit]

  • "The mayor's responsibilities include:" Using commas both within and to separate responsibilities is unclear. I think a semi-colon would be better to separate the different responsibilities.
  • I agree, anything that can make these sentences flow better is worth a try. I've made your suggestion.
  • "staffing of all municipal employees". This sounds odd to me. Is it USAmer?
  • I believe it is so, the language was taken from the source itself.
  • "voting as other councilmen" I do not understand this - does it mean that the mayor votes as a councilman as well as presiding and having a casting vote?
  • Good point. I think I clarified the first point by removing "as other councilmen" as redundant.
  • I am not clear about the differences between the systems. In the first the mayor has executive power but is he or she directly elected or by the councilmen? In the second and third presumably the mayor only presides at meetings and is chosen by the councilmen?
  • In the second and third possibility the mayor retains the vote, however this is mentioned I believe. Otherwise the roles differ simply in the responsibilities of the various titles. It's a bit silly to be honest, but this is the best summary I can make from the source material. If there is any more clarification please let me know, I'm *very* happy to make all changes here, I'm not 100% happy about the wording, but it's the best I can do right now.
  • I'm not sure what you mean by four columns. Are you referring to the formatting of the notes section?
  • Yes. The 30em spreads the two notes across four columns on my screen. Dudley Miles (talk) 21:38, 3 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strange it spreads it out to 2 on mine, but either way you are correct. I've fixed it.
Thanks for your review! I've made changes but a few require some feedback. Mattximus (talk) 18:26, 3 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Looks fine now. Dudley Miles (talk) 18:08, 4 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Source review –

  • All of the references are reliable.
  • The link-checker tool says that ref 1 (the most cited source) is a "crufty url". I clicked on it and it works, but it's showing me data from Alabama. There seems to be a drop-down menu, but I'm not getting it to work. If it works for you, it might be worth noting in the cite what you need to select for the cited info to appear. If it doesn't work for you, we'll need a link that does work.
  • I get the same thing, for some reason all the links I try default to Alabama. If you scroll to South Carolina, all the data is there, but I can't seem to have a direct link to South Carolina...
  • In that case, I suggest adding a note to the end of the cite saying "Select South Carolina from drop-down menu" or similar, to inform the reader how to access the cited information. You could even put it outside the cite template if necessary, although there is a format= parameter you can try. Giants2008 (Talk) 22:08, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Found a postscript field in the citation template.  Done
  • The only formatting issue I see is that the date formatting is inconsistent. It should be one style throughout. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:19, 3 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Mattximus: Looks like we still have one unaddressed issue above. If you're not going to add a note there, it's not the end of the world, but I don't want to finish this source review without at least getting a yea or nay there. Giants2008 (Talk) 20:23, 21 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Change made, all comments addressed. Thanks for the source review! Mattximus (talk) 14:47, 24 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • With that last comment taken care of, this source review has been passed. Giants2008 (Talk) 22:05, 24 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • " in the Southern United States" is a SEAOFBLUE, especially in this case when Southern links to Southern United States. I don't think a link to United States is needed.  Done
  • "24th most populous state" is piped to a redirect. Done
  • "land area spanning 30,060.70 square miles (77,856.9 km2) of land" firstly not sure you need "of land" and secondly, one assumes this would include the area of lakes within the state as well in any case?
  • Nice find, but actually there are data for "area", "land area", and "water area". I've chosen to use the land area stat since it doesn't make sense to include a big lake as part of your city.
  • I'm the last person to get too PC about everything, but do you still call women "councilmen"?
  • This is completely ridiculous, I agree. But that is actually what they call them in this state...
  • James Island - don't like blank cells, could we put N/A to mean "not available"? Should probably sort in the middle for "change" (i.e. it's not lower than -36.8%, probably should be 0%)
  • I've had a heck of a time trying to get the N/A to sort properly, and just gave up. It's the same as other featured lists like List of municipalities in New Mexico, so I just left those blank too. It still passed, but if you know the code for N/A that still sorts properly I'm happy to change all these lists to that format.
  • I tried using the {{sdash}}, what do you think?
  • "63.3/sq mi (24.5/km2)" vs "63.3/sq mi (24.4/km2)"... (and they sort out of order).
    Very interesting catch! I've already posted a request for this error on the template talk page found here: Template_talk:Pop_density#Strange_rounding_error. I've found that these requests are often answered rather quickly. Mattximus (talk) 14:13, 17 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Half a dozen of the km2 are down to two decimal places, I wouldn't do that. Done
  • Why is government type over-capitalised in the table, e.g. "Council-Manager" when the prose just uses sentence case, i.e. "council-manager". Done

The Rambling Man (talk) 16:46, 7 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Mattximus some comments here for you. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:22, 13 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the ping and your excellent comments. I've addressed half, but I will have to do the other few in a couple of days. Mattximus (talk) 23:36, 13 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
All comments addressed! Mattximus (talk) 23:35, 22 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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