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List of Padma Bhushan award recipients (1980–89)[edit]

List of Padma Bhushan award recipients (1980–89) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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Nominator(s): Dharmadhyaksha (talk · contribs) and Vivvt (talk · contribs)

I am nominating this for featured list because with some inputs from you this can easily become a featured content. It is inline with the past FLs of Padma Bhushan of past decades; the 1950s and the 1960s.
Note: Vivvt & i independently have one open FL nom each. But both those noms have received supports and have no pending open points. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 17:26, 24 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Mediran
  • It looks good, but I observed that the lengthy second paragraph seems a repetition. It also appears in the other FLs you provided. Don't you think it's better if it were cut out and placed somewhere else (e.g. its main article) since this list, after all, is only about the awards given out in the 1980s? Take a look at the 68th Academy Awards for example. It doesn't include the history of the Oscars because it's already in some umbrella article but it has all the information about the Oscars of 1996. I don't know. What's your say?
    • I think its okay to mention only about the brief history and medal specification. Some of other do follow the same pattern (Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross recipients: 1940–1941, 1942, 1943, 1944, 1945)
  • "registered in The Gazette of India, a publication used for official government notices and released weekly by the Department of Publication, Ministry of Urban Development". Is the "Ministry of Urban Development" another name for the "Department of Publication"? This should be clarified for "backgroundless" readers (like me).
    • Done
  • Fix the dimensions of Hosur Narasimhaiah's image so that it's uniform with other images.
    • Replaced
  • Fix the quote in the refs per MOS:SINGLE ("Enclose quotations inside quotations with single quotation marks").
    • Done
  • Since you provided archive links, use the parameter deadurl. Set it to yes if the orig link is dead or to no if not.
    • Done
  • In the notes, "Indicates a citizen of United States". There should be a "the" between "of" and "United". The same with "United Kingdom".
    • Done
  • "In a career spanning over sixty years, the 1983 recipient filmmaker Richard Attenborough is best known for his eight Academy Award winning film Gandhi (1983) and is considered as 'one of Britain's best-known actors and directors'." Could use a hyphen there: "eight-Academy Award-winning film" or "eight Academy Award-winning film". "The 1983 recipient" suggests that Attenborough is the only awardee of 1983.
    • Done
  • "(CCMB), who". The comma is unnecessary.
    • Done
  • Remove "then-" in "then-President Zail Singh".
    • Removed

I'll add more. — Mediran [talk] 07:17, 12 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Mediran: I have fixed most of your comments. Please let us know if you have more. - Vivvt (Talk) 16:53, 16 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for fixing some of the minor errors I observed. I did minor changes to the list, and here's more
  • "returned it in 2015 in protest of the Dadri incident". What incident?
    • Done
  • The colon in "The order of precedence is: Bharat Ratna..." is unnecessary.
    • Done
  • "Non-citizen recipients" to "Foreign recipients"?
    • Done
  • In the refs
    • Should be "ESPN Cricinfo".
      • Done
    • The publisher of The Hindu should also be specified in other refs.
      • The Hindu is a newspaper and mentioned as |newspaper=The Hindu. Per Template:Cite news, "Omit where the publisher's name is substantially the same as the name of the work (for example, The New York Times Co. publishes The New York Times newspaper, so there is no reason to name the publisher)."
        • Got me there. I thought the word inside the parentheses in Ref 9 is the publisher.
@Mediran: I have fixed the above comments as well. - Vivvt (Talk) 06:18, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The list now looks better, but I'm still not sure about paragraph 3. I think it still needs to be worked on. You could copy-edit it yourself or tap our editors at the WP:GOCE. — Mediran [talk] 08:10, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I've made edits myself, but I have not much time to do more. I wish this will get through. Cheers — Mediran [talk] 08:32, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Tentative support (for now). Don't see changes, but I am hoping it will be fixed soon. My concern is the wording of the third paragraph. What's the change in government? What was it before? Maybe this can be told in a better, more understandable way. — Mediran [talk] 15:53, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Mediran: I have made the changes. Please see if that's alright with you. - Vivvt (Talk) 03:48, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Please add {{nbsp}} between the day and the month in dates (e.g. 25{{nbsp}}January). — Mediran [talk] 06:03, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Mediran: Done. Please check now. - Vivvt (Talk) 06:33, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
(In all) dates. There are other dates that are not yet fixed. Please link whatever are necessary in this: The recommendations are received from all the state and the union territory governments, with the Ministries of the Government of India, the Bharat Ratna and the Padma Vibhushan awardees, the Institutes of Excellence, the Ministers, the Chief Ministers and the Governors of States, and the Members of Parliament including private individuals. Also, specify when is the Republic Day; maybe you can write it like "Republic Day (DAY MONTH)". — Mediran [talk] 07:54, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Done now. Please check. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 10:45, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from Nvvchar

I support the nomination as it is well drafted. However, I have the following observations for action as you deem fit.Nvvchar. 14:37, 1 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • In the second sentence 'it is given for" could be changed to "conferred on"
    • Done
  • In "The conferral of the award is not considered official without its publication in the journal", "journal" may need be made specific
    • Done
  • In the sentence, "After being inaugurated Prime Minister" could be changed to "After assuming office Prime Minister"
    • Done
  • In the fourth paragraph "art" could be changed to "The Arts" as its is awarded to many disciplines of arts
    • Done
  • In "None of the conferments .... have been revoked or restored", the word "restored" may be superfluous. This sentence also needs to be cross checked with the last sentence which says "Pushpa Mittra Bhargava,.... returned it in 2015".
    • Removed the word "restored". As far as Bhargava is concerned, he returned the award himself and government has not revoked it. So his conferral is still valid.
@Nvvchar: I have fixed your comments. Please let us know if you have more. - Vivvt (Talk) 04:44, 2 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Giants2008 (Talk) 21:01, 3 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comments –
  • Second word of "under of the Ministry of Urban Development" should be removed.
    • Done
  • The List of recipients heading could lose the first two words.
    • Done
  • The K. G. Ramanathan photo caption should have "Number" decapitalized. Giants2008 (Talk) 22:14, 2 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • Done
@Giants2008: I have made the necessary changes. Please let us know if you have any further comments. - Vivvt (Talk) 04:12, 3 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Redtigerxyz's Comments

--Redtigerxyz Talk 05:46, 3 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Have removed both images. Will take them to DR on commons soon. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 06:23, 4 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Added two more images of Mitra & Sakurauchi. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 08:59, 11 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - the lead reads fine, but I have issue with its length. It's long with over four paragraphs; try pruning it a bit. FrB.TG (talk) 09:29, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Prose follows similar text as that of past 3 FLs with each being between 4-5kB of readable prose size. Any pruning or shortening will make this one odd in the set. Any more comments? §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 04:53, 23 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Review by PresN

Recusing myself as a delegate. --PresN 17:43, 23 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • I don't understand why there isn't a navbox at the bottom linking the whole Padma Bhushan series together...
The Template:PadmaBhushanAwardRecipients 1980–89 currently used at the bottom has whole PB series at the very end. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 04:14, 24 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • I also don't like how each year is its own table, instead of one big sortable table with a year column, but since the prior 3 FLs did it that way it would be a major change.
I think we had discussed this somewhere... let me see. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 04:14, 24 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It was first noted at the 1954–59 FLC by one of the reviewers. But as the list has only 94 entries, so I did not prefer to go with the suggestion. The similar suggestion came again with Padma Vibhushan award recipients FLC. This time it was 294 entries so I merged them all together. Looks like we may have to make the changes for all the lists. I will do it at the end of this FLC, irrespective of its success or failure. - Vivvt (Talk) 04:53, 25 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds good. --PresN 20:40, 25 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • The lead length is fine, though it is a bit on the long side; if you wanted to make it shorter, then for example I don't think it's absolutely required to repeat the exact description of the medal in all of these lists, instead of just in the parent Padma Bhushan article.
As this is a repeat comment maybe we can have some WP:Consensus on this. Pinging co-nominator @Vivvt:. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 04:14, 24 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I am not sure what to do here. I thought of following the same pattern as of Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross recipients where the text is repeated across the FLs (1940–1941, 1942, 1943, 1944, 1945) - Vivvt (Talk) 04:53, 25 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It's fine to keep it as it is, I just mentioned it if you want to make the lead(s) shorter. --PresN 20:40, 25 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "pink riband" - why "riband" and not "ribbon"? The award isn't old enough to warrant the archaic variant
A riband is a ribbon especially when used as a decoration/award. Isn't that right? Am ok with using either. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 04:14, 24 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like you're correct, I've just never seen the word before. --PresN 20:40, 25 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The recommendations are received from all the state and the union territory governments, with the Ministries of the Government of India, the Bharat Ratna and the Padma Vibhushan awardees, the Institutes of Excellence, the Ministers, the Chief Ministers and the Governors of States, and the Members of Parliament including private individuals." - "from all [state] governments, with [x, y, and z] including private individuals"? That reads oddly. Would be better as "The recommendations are received from all the state and the union territory governments, as well as from Ministries of the Government of India, Bharat Ratna and Padma Vibhushan awardees, the Institutes of Excellence, Ministers, Chief Ministers and Governors of States, Members of Parliament, and private individuals."
Done.
  • "this was subsequently modified for the January 1955 statute" - "in" the statute
Done.

Support. --PresN 20:40, 25 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Source Review
  • Formatting: Pass, though having a "subref" on refs 17 and 22 from a different site is strange.
  • @PresN: Is it mandatory to have same publisher for all the subrefs? Let me know so that I can make that change. I am unaware of it as of now. - Vivvt (Talk) 04:53, 25 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Usually, for subrefs, you're combing multiple parts into a single ref- 4 sources about the sales numbers of a 4-part thing, for example, or a 2-part article by a source. Here, you're just... combining 2 refs because they're used in the same sentence. It's fine, it's just odd. --PresN 20:40, 25 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Spotchecks: checked refs 5, 13, 20, 22 (online) - pass
  • Completeness: pass

Source review passed. --PresN 17:43, 23 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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