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The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:30, 22 August 2017 (UTC) [1].[reply]

Ariana Grande discography[edit]

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Nominator(s): U990467 (talk) 07:22, 28 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because the list is very complete and in the good shape. I believe this satisfies the required criteria for featured lists. --U990467 (talk) 07:22, 28 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Aoba47
  • Please use Ariana Grande's full name in the caption.
  •  Done: Revised.
  • Please use ALT text for the image, other than "Refer to caption".
  •  Done: Revised.
  • Instead of using "No.", write it out full as "number".
  •  Done: Revised.
  • Following the sentence (It spawned two more singles: "Baby I", and "Right There".), I would include more information on the chart performance of these two singles.
  •  Done: Added.
  • The wording (managed to reach) sounds very odd to me. I would just say "reached", as the wording "managed to" makes it sound like it was a struggle for the song to be successful.
  •  Done: Removed.
  • You have the following two phrases in close proximity (The fourth single from My Everything) and (the fifth and final single from My Everything) and it reads somewhat too repetitive to me so I would suggest revising. I do not believe you need to say the full album title twice in a similar sentence construction in the same paragraph.
  •  Done: Revised.
  • Following the sentence (The album spawned three more singles: "Into You", "Side to Side" and "Everyday".), I would more information on the chart performance of these three songs. The lead right now seems to be giving a lot of attention to her second album, so putting more information here would help to balance everything out.
  •  Done: Added.
  • In the lead, I would information about two Christmas-themed EPs.
  •  Done: Added.
  • The third paragraph is rather long compared to everything else, and I have concerns about it bordering on giving the second album and its singles undue weight compared to everything else. I would revise and shorten/condense this paragraph.
  •  Done: Reduced.
  • I do not believe the image in the "Music videos" section is necessary. It is not necessarily a good image as her face is mostly covered up by the microphone, and it does not add anything really new to the list. I would remove it.
  •  Done: Removed.

Great work with the list as a whole. I just have a few concerns with the lead. Once my comments are addressed, I do another run-through of it. My review will be primarily focused on the prose with the lead just so you know. Aoba47 (talk) 20:48, 28 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your comments. --U990467 (talk) 06:30, 29 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Everything looks good. I will support it. If possible, I would greatly appreciate it if you could look at my current FLC? Aoba47 (talk) 16:15, 29 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support from Iridescent

Note that I'm not doing any fact-checking so taking all chart positions and dates on faith.

  • I appreciate that we're limited in terms of what we have, but there must be something better to use as a lead image. In the file currently used at thumbnail size one can barely make out her face, and the way her jacket is hanging makes her look like she's morbidly obese.
  • Why Her first studio album Yours Truly? Was Yours Truly not her first album of any kind, in which case the qualifier isn't needed?
  • having sold 138,000 copies in its opening week—since this is talking about US chart positions, presumably that figure is only counting American sales not worldwide? Do we know what the worldwide sales were for the same period? For most artists this wouldn't be an issue, but one of the striking things about Grande's career is that she became globally successful very quickly, rather than the usual "big in hometown, big in the area, big in the country, big in the continent, big in the world" route.
  • This will be non-standard for music articles, but Grande is an exceptional case; the sales figures (at least for Dangerous Woman) probably need to have from-to dates clearly stated in the body rather than buried in the footnoted, and in particular Sales of Dangerous Woman in the United Kingdom as of May 2017 needs to specify whether this was as of the beginning or the end of May. For obvious reasons there will be a distortion in her sales figures in mid-May 2017, both through people who were previously unfamiliar with her work hearing her music on the news and deciding they like it, and from non-fans buying her music as a gesture of solidarity, and I suspect "sales as of 1 May" and "sales as of 31 May" are significantly different.

None of these are deal-breakers (although I really would do something about that image)—happy to support. ‑ Iridescent 10:39, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your comments. I have revised the top and changed the image. --U990467 (talk) 13:53, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from Paparazzzi
  • Per WP:NUMNOTES, "Comparable quantities should be all spelled out or all in figures". With that being said, it is either "one remix album, two extended plays, thirty-three singles" or "1 remix album, 2 extended plays, 33 singles". It's up to you to use either numbers or words.
  •  Done
  • Add EP in parenthesis after extended play, so people know you are referring to it while using the abreviation
  •  Done
  • Add a reference regarding the release of "Put Your Hearts Up". I would also write that the single was commercially unsuccessful
  •  Done
  • In December 2013, Grande released her first extended play Christmas Kisses, featuring four Christmas-themed tracks.[5] The EP was re-released in December 2014, exclusive to Japan, with one bonus track, Grande's Christmas single "Santa Tell Me". Change to: "In December 2013, Grande released her first EP, Christmas Kisses, featuring four Christmas-themed tracks. It was re-released in December 2014, exclusively to Japan, including the single "Santa Tell Me" as a bonus track.
  • Grande released her second studio album My Everything in August 2014. The album became her second consecutive number-one album on the Billboard 200. You can change the last sentence to: The material became her second consecutive number-one record on the Billboard 200.
  •  Done
  • I would add this reference regarding the sentence that says that Problem "was an international hit and nearly reached the top ten spots of every major chart"
  •  Done
  • The fourth and fifth single from the album... Use plural here
  •  Done
  • Is "Bang Bang" a single from My Everything? I mean, Grande is one of the main artists but that does not mean it was released to promote her album; it seems more likely that it was only considered to be the lead single from Jessie's album. Besides that, who includes one of her most successful singles as a bonus track? That was the case of this particular song in My Everything. In my opinion, it has to stay as a single by Ariana as a lead artist, but not from her second album. I'm curious about what you think about this.
  • I think you should expand (or split into two) the sentence about the commercial performance of Into You and Side to Side, since it only covers the latter's commercial performance
  •  Done
This is only the lead by now. I will continue to review the rest of the list later. Paparazzzi (talk) 08:24, 3 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

More comments:

  • Why is every EP splitted into two?
  • They are reissues. The former release was only made in digital download while the reissue was released in both CD and digital download format.
  • Why is "Jason's Song (Gave It Away)" listed as a single from Dangerous Woman? Isn't it a buzz track?
  • Ref 27 claims that Yours Truly was released on 1 January 2013
  • I would suggest to archive the links of the release dates of the albums
  •  Done
  • Ref 9 does not claim that "Problem" peaked at number 2 on the Hot 100
  •  Done Revised.
@U990467: These are my comments. Once they are addressed, I'm going to support this. Regards, Paparazzzi (talk) 18:33, 4 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your comments.--U990467 (talk) 08:02, 7 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
You haven't added yet the reference regarding "Put Your Hearts Up" release. Besides that, everything seems fine, so I'm gonna support this nomination. If possible, could you look at my FLC? Regards and have a nice day. Paparazzzi (talk) 22:34, 7 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for supporting. --U990467 (talk) 10:45, 8 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Source Review

A few points to fix before this can be promoted:

  • Please explain how zobbel.de is a reliable source; it appears to be a single person's personal website with a text database of UK chart listings.
  • Hmm, those FLs were promoted in 2009/10, and without a source review, so I'm not inclined to let that be enough to swing it. The site isn't listed one way or another on the CHARTS page, so, not really helpful. Again, this appears to be some random German website with a text dump of UK chart listings. What evidence do you have that it's an RS? Are there any other sites that other FLs use for their UK charts? --PresN 02:31, 14 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Those are other lists, yep. Which means that, if you're unable to show any reason why the random person's blog is an RS, then it's going to be a fairly widespread problem. Again: What evidence do you have that it's an RS? Are there any other websites or sources that other FLs use for their UK charts that you could use instead? --PresN 01:32, 17 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • I personally wouldn't characterize a discussion between two people, primarily about whether Zobbel is illegally hosting the material as having the reliability "proved". That said, the point was made that he's getting the information from UKChartsPlus... so why not just cite them? E.g. for [2], make the reference <ref>{{cite magazine |magazine=[[UKChartsPlus]] |date=September 14, 2013 |issue=629 |url=http://www.zobbel.de/cluk/130914cluk.txt}}</ref> (issue number taken from [3]). I'm much more comfortable using Zobbel's site as a "convenience link" with the actual data being sourced to the actual source. I'm a little disquieted that WP:MUSIC is apparently ok with citing random people's blogs as long as they think the information is true. --PresN 21:23, 18 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Additionally, the "work" should be Zobbel, not zobbel.de
  •  Done
  • Similarly, other "works" should be the site name, not the url- Idolator, not idolator.com, etc. There are quite a few of these. Exceptions are only where the name of the site includes the ".com"; most don't.
  •  Done
  • Please fix the ALLCAPS in reference titles such as "ARIA CHART WATCH #410" -> "ARIA Chart Watch #410"
  •  Done
  • It doesn't really matter much, but note for future reference that if you archive a url that's still live, you can add "|deadurl=no" to the reference to make the "main" link go to the live site instead of the slower archived url.
  •  Done: Added some.
  • Spotchecks: 6, 10, 11, 16, 42, 57, 116. 16 does not appear to contain the billboard chart positions in the sentence it covers, the others had no problems. --PresN 17:20, 9 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Done: Thanks for your review. --U990467 (talk) 15:38, 11 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Promoting. --PresN 21:15, 21 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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