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The list was archived by Giants2008 22:14, 6 December 2015 [1].

Alexandra Stan discography[edit]

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Nominator(s): Cartoon network freak (talk) 17:12, 17 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I believe the article is well-referenced and well-written. Nearly all the pages that link here are archived, so that the needed information can be also seen if the citation is "dead". I tried to do my best for adjusting the article's lead and citation style. Thanks in advance!

Resolved comments from SNUGGUMS

Oppose for a number of problems

  • "The discography of Romanian recording artist Alexandra Stan consists of" is quite a mouthful, I'd recommend "Romanian singer Alexandra Stan has released"
 Done
  • I'm pretty sure what critics think of "Lollipop (Param Pam Pam)" belongs in its own article and Stan's main bio rather than here, and "bad reviews" isn't really appropriate tone
 Done
  • "hit" is too informal
 Done
  • Why is the Billboard Hot 100 mentioned in the lead when chartings in the US aren't listed in the tables?
 Done
  • "in countries like" is unnecessary, just go with "in"
 Done
  • "in August of 2014" → "in August 2014"
 Done
  • iTunes rankings shouldn't be included per WP:BADCHARTS
 Done
  • The "M" in AllMusic should be capitalized
 Done
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  • "abcmuzical.ro" → "abcMuzical"
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  • "profm.ro" → "Pro FM"
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  • "dcnews.ro" → "DC News"
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  • "austriancharts.at" → "Austrian Charts"
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  • "Finnishcharts.com" → "Finnish Charts"
 Done
  • "lescharts.com" → "French Charts"
 Done
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  • "mediapromusic.ro" → "Media Pro Music"
 Done
 Done
 Done
  • "spanishcharts.com" → "Spanish Charts"
 Done
  • "Schweizer Hitparade" only needs to be included once within a reference, and should link to Swiss Hitparade
 Done
  • "ziarulring.ro" → "Ziarul Ring"
 Done
  • The "U" should be capitalized for "urban.ro"
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  • "ziaruloval.ro" → "Ziarul Oval"
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  • "radio21.ro" → "Radio 21"
 Done
  • "wowbiz.ro" → "Wow Biz"
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  • "kfetele.com" → "Kfetele"
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  • "romanialibera.ro" → "Romania libera"
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  • "libertatea.ro" → "Liber Tatea"
 Done
  • "life.hotnews.ro" → "Hot News"
 Done
  • I'm not convinced "Star Gossip Magazine" is reliable
I also don't know exactly. Maybe, I can talk with another user about it.
  • "musiq.ro" → "Musiq"
 Done
  • "tophitru.com" → "Top Hit"
 Done
  • "e-wow.ro" → "EWow"
 Done

Sorry, but this isn't ready to be FL at the moment. Snuggums (talk / edits) 05:17, 27 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hello again Snuggums, I implemented all the changes you requested! Cartoon network freak (talk) 20:28, 30 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Looking through again, there's more:
  • You state that "Cherry Pop" and "Dance" were successful in Japan, but since I'm not really familiar with Oricon's ranking system, I don't know if this is an accurate description given how "Cherry Pop" reached 64. Is this a ranking of Top 100 like the Billboard Hot 100 and Canadian Hot 100? Snuggums (talk / edits) 05:36, 31 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Regarding the lead's listing of rankings Turkey, Poland, and Argentina, either implement these in the chart or replace them with other nations listed.
  • WP:WikiProject Discographies/style recommends listing up to 10 nations in the tables. There are currently 11. I'd personally use the ones she has had the most success on.
While it does look better now, you haven't answered whether http://www.numberone.com.tr/tr/muzik/number-one-top-40/index.2.html is reliable (or how it is reliable). Snuggums (talk / edits) 05:36, 31 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@SNUGGUMS: All done! In Japan, there are two singles charts: Oricon Singles Chart and Japan Hot 100. Actually, we use the Japan Hot 100, which is a related chart from the Billboard Hot 100, because there she has had more peaks on. Cartoon network freak (talk) 05:56, 31 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I see. Anyway, please tell me whether numberone.com is reliable (provide reasons if so), and I'd also leave out "Cherry Pop" from the lead since number 64 out of 100 isn't really successful compared to "Dance", which reached the top 30, or even anything that makes the top 40. Snuggums (talk / edits) 06:59, 31 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@SNUGGUMS: Removed "commercially successful". numberone.com is reliable, as it replaced the Billboard-related Turkish Singles Chart after it ceased its publication. Cartoon network freak (talk) 07:49, 31 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Well done. Now I can support this. Snuggums (talk / edits) 14:41, 31 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@SNUGGUMS: Thanks man! So, is it already a FL, or do we have to wait for a second opinion? Happy HalloweenΔ!Δ Cartoon network freak (talk) 15:03, 3 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
FL candidates need at least three supports to pass and have to resolve all major concerns of reviewers. Snuggums (talk / edits) 16:59, 31 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Azealia911[edit]

Resolved comments from Azealia911 talk 19:27, 18 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
* Per WP:CITELEAD, anything referenced later in the article does not need to be referenced in the lead.
 Done
  • "two studio albums and 13 singles, each accompanied by a music video." link studio album, link singles, and reword this sentence. "each accompanied by a music video" is confusing, what is accompanied by a music video, the two studio albums?
 Done
  • What exactly is the AllMusic reference telling us?
Removed this. It's nothing about the music videos or singles.  Done
 Done
  • "proposed her a contract" → "offered her a contract"
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  • "In that year, she also released the promotional song" → "The same year, she released the promotional single"
 Done
  • "was heavily difused" What on earth does this mean?
 Done
  • "her breakthrough recording" → "the breakthrough single"
 Done
  • "In the UK, it only reached number 56." is not adhering to WP:NPOV, as you're concluding reaching 56 on the chart is a bad thing, please reword the sentance to something like "40 in many European countries,[5] while peaking at number 56 on the UK Singles Chart."
 Done
  • "The same year, Saxobeats, her debut studio album, was internationally released. The record reached the top 40 in Austria, Finland, Germany and Switzerland.[7]" → "In August 2011, Stan's debut studio album, Saxobeats was released. The album peaked within the top 40 in Austria, Finland, Germany and Switzerland."
  • "under the new title "Cliché (Hush Hush)" to Japanese outlets." → "under the new title of Cliché (Hush Hush), exclusively in Japan."
 Done
  • Remove "which were released worldwide to promote the re-issue."
 Done
  • The actual lead section gives WP:UNDUE weight to certain aspects of Stan's career. EG, There's a large paragraph which talks about two of her earliest singles, yet her second studio album and its singles only get two sentences? Even it out.
 Done
  • Remove the spaces between table entries and references. EG, Saxobeats [19] should be Saxobeats[19], "Dance" [45] should be "Dance"[45] and so on.
 Done
  • Unlink CD and digital download after the first usage, same with Victor Entertainment.
 Done
  • "Crazy" needs citation to prove it was a promotional single.
 Done


  • Oppose: I've all the comments I can on the lead and have quickly skimmed the rest of the article, addressing all of my aforementioned comments would be a great start, but I'll most likely have comments once they're all fixed up. SNUGGUMS, I greatly respect you and your opinion on Wikipedia, but did you even read through this article? It's plagued with rookie errors. Azealia911 talk 04:02, 1 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I did, and can say that things were definitely worse when I first reviewed it, but the article may have deteriorated since I last looked. Snuggums (talk / edits) 04:29, 1 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Azealia911 and SNUGGUMS: All done! Cartoon network freak (talk) 05:48, 1 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]


Further comments
  • "Romanian singer Alexandra Stan has released two studio albums and 13 singles." nothing about the reissue or video album?
 Done
  • "Each song is accompanied by a music video." → "Each single has also been supported with a music video.", this also needs sourcing.
 Done
  • Remove "in late 2010 and early 2011."
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  • "follow-up single "Get Back"" why is the full title of the song "Get Back (ASAP)" not used?
 Done
  • "new title of "Cliché (Hush Hush)"" → "new title of Cliché (Hush Hush)"
 Done
  • "This edition features the new singles" → "The reissue spawned three singles,"
 Done
  • Remove "It also premiered worldwide on November 24, 2014." we only need to know the initial release date.
 Done
  • There's still a lack of information concerning Stan's second album. Talk about how it charted, that it charted less successfully than Saxobeats, who featured on the album, the albums five singles, the commercial performance of those singles, ETC.
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  • "In June 2015, Stan released a featuring with both Inna and Daddy Yankee on the song "We Wanna"." → "In June 2015, Stan released a single with Inna and Daddy Yankee titled "We Wanna"."
 Done
  • The headers are not correctly used, nor is the article sorted in an appropriate way, use Hilary Duff discography as an example as to how we use headers in discographies.
 Done
  • Remove all appearances of "(JPN)" in the tables, they're unnecessary.
 Done
  • None of the tables have descriptive titles, once again see Hilary Duff discography, an example would be "List of studio albums, with selected chart positions, sales, and certifications" in the Studio albums table.
 Done
  • There's still a space between "JPN: 68,245" and the reference that follows it, same with "Crazy" in the promotional singles section and ""Lollipop (Param Pam Pam)" [2]" in the music videos section.
 Done
  • The "DVD albums" section should be renamed "Video albums"
 Done
  • Are all of the songs in the "Guest appearances" section singles? Guest appearances are usually non-singles (See Lil Debbie discography) while tables of featured singles are usually titled "As featured artist" (see Azealia Banks discography)
 Done


@Azealia911: I've implemented all your requests. Cartoon network freak (talk) 20:24, 1 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]


Further comments
  • "two studio albums, one reissue album and video album, and 13 singles." → "two studio albums, one of which was reissued, one video album and 13 singles."
 Done
  • "Stan's second studio album Unlocked was released first in Japan in August 2014." → "Stan's second studio album, Unlocked, was released in August 2014."
 Done
  • "The record spawns the lead singles "Cherry Pop" and "Dance", which eventually gained popularity in Japan.[4][5]" How is this? Wasn't "Thanks for Leaving" released as the first single for Unlocked? Keep in mind that the lead single (there's usually only one) isn't just the most successful single.
 Done
  • Remove the "also" in ""Dance" also topped".
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  • "The album was less successfully than Saxobeats" → "The album was less commercially successful than Saxobeats"
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  • All release dates should be in DMY format, not MDY.
 Done
  • "List of studio albums, with selected chart positions, sales, and certifications" → "List of studio albums, with selected chart positions and sales"
 Done
  • "Columbia Records" → "Columbia"
 Done
 Done
  • What's going on with the titles of the references for peak chart positions? Both the Japanese and Swiss references are titled "Extended search: Alexandra Stan (albums)" yet the reference doesn't say this anywhere. Please be sure to check every reference for an appropriate title.
 Done
  • References with only one sub-reference do not need to be split, EG the Hungary albums reference should be styled like the rest of the albums references.
 Done
 Not done, as this reference is not part of the Hung Medien.


  • Currently in a rush, and will make more comments later. I'm still opposing I'm afraid, while it's looking a lot better there are still basic errors present. In future, please ensure before submitting something for featured article/list review, that it is more than ready to be recognized as such. Most of the work on this article has been advised by the reviewing editors, and while it would be silly to keep opposing this on the basis of 'it wasn't ready at the start of this FLC!!!' (I will eventually support I'm sure), it was perhaps a poor call of judgement to submit this list for FL so soon. Azealia911 talk 09:33, 2 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Azealia911: Thankyou, done. Cartoon network freak (talk) 20:08, 2 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]


Further comments
  • "The record spawns singles" → "The record spawned singles"
 Done
  • "which eventually gained" → "which gained"
 Done
  • The lead singles table lists 'Title → Year', while the featured, promotional and music video tables are all 'Year → Title', convert all tables to 'Title → Year'.
 Done
  • Use scope="row" in the music video table.
 Done
  • References don't need to be continually repeated in the 'Music videos' box if they're the same. EG, you can remove all of the references in the directors collumn, with the exception of "Vanilla Chocolat"
 Done
  • {{N/A|Unknown}} → {{Unknown}}
 Done
  • Does Stan provide vocals to "TBC" or does she just appear in the video? If she just makes a cameo, remove the listing.
 Done
  • {{Reflist|2}} → {{Reflist|30em}}
 Done
Whoops, corrected now. Azealia911 talk 13:36, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
also  Done
  • No 'External links' section?
 Done


@Azealia911: Adjusted, as you requested! Cartoon network freak (talk) 12:46, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]


Comment by Godot13

@Godot13: Done! Cartoon network freak (talk) 12:57, 12 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • How many albums is the lower limit accepted at wp:music for a stand-alone discography list? Nergaal (talk) 20:07, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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