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The article was promoted by User:SandyGeorgia 20:16, 16 August 2008 [1].

New York State Route 343[edit]

Nominator(s): Mitch32(UP)


I'm nominating this article for featured article because its been worked on by numerous editors and has been reviewed by numerous editors. It is of the strength now, that I least believe, for a chance at becoming a Featured Article. Mitch32(UP) 00:22, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

Issues resolved, Ealdgyth - Talk 13:00, 7 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Current ref 11 (INternational Directory of Company Histories..) is lacking all bibliographical information - author, publisher, page number. Ealdgyth - Talk 12:39, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Done - Finally found the information about the book.Mitch32(UP) 16:01, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Can we get a page number o curren ref 13 (Frederic James RWood The Turnpikes of New England...), and publisher information? Ealdgyth - Talk 12:39, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • more details on the reference added --Polaron
  • Comments — all images are released into the public domain or tagged under GFDL and uploaded to Commons. Imzadi1979 (talk) 21:14, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments –
    • Establish context – the phrase a state highway located entirely within central Dutchess County doesn't establish the subject for non-NYers. AreJay (talk) 22:28, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Done. Mitch32(UP) 10:20, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Prose needs cleaning up. A couple of examples...
      • What is now Route 343 became a major transportation route... "What is now" is unnecessary
      • Favor not using past perfect tense (The highway had helped.. -> "The highway helped"; "The turnpike corporation...had finished grading -> "The turnpike corporation...finished grading, etc) AreJay (talk) 22:28, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • Done. Mitch32(UP) 10:20, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • What kind of traffic (nature, volume) does NY 343 typically handle? It says when it crosses into CT, there's a large factory. Does the road typically handle commercial traffic then? Or is it mostly non-commercial traffic? AreJay (talk) 22:28, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • The entire route has minimal truck traffic. NYSDOT data indicates 5% west of NY 22, 7% on the NY 22 overlap, and 6% east of NY 22. I'll add that information in. I will also add traffic volumes. --Polaron | Talk 14:18, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Important landmarks along the route? Landmarks near intersections? Statistics on accidents? AreJay (talk) 22:28, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Done (before FAC) - I see landmarks along the entire route description and lead. I don't think its that unobvious. Mitch32(UP) 10:20, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Unfortunately there does not appear to be easily accessible information about accident statistics broken down by route number. --Polaron | Talk 14:18, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Red wiki links don't look good in an FA article. Maybe create stubs for Wassaic State Multiple Use Area and Mutton Hollow? AreJay (talk) 22:28, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • See Imzadi's comment below. Mitch32(UP) 10:20, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Any information on current construction activities and/or planned upgrades? AreJay (talk) 22:28, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Not done - NYSDOT has not said a thing. Mitch32(UP) 10:20, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
AreJay (talk) 22:28, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Red links aren't bad though. If they lead to logical future articles, they should be retained as they help spur Wikipedia's expansion. Imzadi1979 (talk) 01:50, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support Comments Short, informative road article. I have a few prose concerns that can easily be fixed and one question about comprehensiveness:

  • Route 343 used the alignment of the Dover branch of the 19th-century Dutchess Turnpike for its entire length. The turnpike was a major transportation route at the time, connecting several local communities to Litchfield County, Connecticut and the city of Poughkeepsie. - When was this? Awadewit (talk) 17:32, 9 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The early and mid-19th centuries when the turnpike was in operation.
I think the first sentence should indicate this - it is confusing otherwise. Awadewit (talk) 14:50, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I think it would be too redundant to say the "19th-century Dutchess Turnpike" in the first sentence then say "major transportation route in the 19th century" in the second sentence. I have reworded the two sentences which hopefully is sufficient. --Polaron | Talk 15:48, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • The route was later extended to include its original alignment by 1947 using an overlap with NY 22. - confusing - "in 1947", perhaps? Awadewit (talk) 17:32, 9 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
To be accurate, we use "by 1947" rather than "in 1947" since we have a map gap of between 1944 and 1947. The extension could have been done anytime between those two years.
That should be indicated then. Awadewit (talk) 14:50, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Reworded to say "sometime between 1944 and 1947". --Polaron | Talk 15:48, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Does the article have to repeat "in the hamlet of" so often? Once a place is identified as a hamlet, can't we just use its name? Awadewit (talk) 17:32, 9 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This was a clarification done during A-class review since there are hamlets, towns, villages in the area that have the same name. If we simply say the name, it is not always clear which entity is being referred to.
I see. Ok. Awadewit (talk) 14:50, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Soon afterward, at the intersection with County Route 99, it turns to the southeast for a distance. - I'm not sure what "turns to the southeast for a distance" means Awadewit (talk) 17:32, 9 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Sentence reworded for clarity. --Polaron | Talk 14:11, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • The roads parallel the Tenmile River and soon intersects with County Route 81 (a former routing of NY 22) south of the hamlet of Wassaic. The roads parallel as they head north - Awkward to have sentences begin the same way Awadewit (talk) 17:32, 9 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Sentences reworded to avoid repetition. --Polaron | Talk 14:11, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • County Route 81 merges as the main roads pass by Beekman Park and Silo Ridge Country Club in the hamlet of Amenia. - merges with what? Awadewit (talk) 17:32, 9 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Presumably with the topic of the paragraph, which is Route 22. We can add "Route 22" specifically to that sentence if it would help clarify things.
Update: "with Route 22 and 343" added to the sentence for clarification. --Polaron | Talk 18:11, 9 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • The portion overlapped with Route 22 is a rural principal arterial road with average traffic of 5,600 per day (7% truck traffic). - awkward phrasing Awadewit (talk) 17:32, 9 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure why it's awkward. What do you suggest this be changed to? I suppose we can simply repeat the phrasing of the previous sentence for this and the next sentence. However, that would seem a bit too wordy.
Update: Parenthetical note about truck traffic about the sentence in question and the next one has been expanded to be similar to the previous sentence for clarity. --Polaron | Talk 18:11, 9 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It is the opening part of the sentence that seems awkward to me "The portion overlapping" perhaps? I'm not sure why "overlapped" is in the past tense when the rest of the sentence is in the present. It is confusing. Awadewit (talk) 14:50, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
"Overlapped" here is being used as a status (adjective) so it's not really incorrect usage here. However, I have changed it to read "portion concurrent with" to avoid confusion. --Polaron | Talk 15:48, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, I see. It was, however, confusing. I think the new version is an improvement. Awadewit (talk) 14:57, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • When the road was completed a few years later, it established a continuous improved road between Poughkeepsie and Hartford. - I'm not sure what "continuous improved" means. Awadewit (talk) 17:32, 9 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It means there is an unbroken series of roads that are improved, i.e. graded and cleared.
This should be explained. Awadewit (talk) 14:50, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
A comma has been inserted so that it reads "a continuous, improved road" which hopefully should avoid the confusion. --Polaron | Talk 15:48, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I still think it is a little vague, but ok. Awadewit (talk) 14:57, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • These images are pretty uninspiring. Are there any images of important things along the road we could include? Awadewit (talk) 17:32, 9 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Were there any major construction projects along this road? Perhaps local newspapers might have information on these sorts of things? Awadewit (talk) 17:32, 9 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
No, there have been no major construction projects on this route, aside from the usual periodic milling and repaving that is true for all roads.

I hope these suggestions are helpful. Awadewit (talk) 17:32, 9 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Replies to some of the points raised are under each item. --Polaron | Talk 17:58, 9 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Comments
  • State Route 343 (also known as NY 343) is a state highway located entirely within central Dutchess County, which is in the Hudson Valley region of the U.S. state of New York. Link State highway and remove the words "which is".
    • Done -Mitch32(UP) 17:20, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Modern Route 343 was first designated in 1930, connecting the hamlet of Amenia to the state line, but was relocated a few years later to run from the village of Milbrook to the hamlet of Dover Plains instead. Remove "first".
    • Done -Mitch32(UP) 17:20, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Several landmarks along the way include the Wassaic State Multiple Use Area in the hamlet of Wassaic, Beekman Park in the hamlet of Amenia, and the Troutbeck Conference Center in the hamlet of Leedsvile. The Wassaic State Multiple Use Area isn't really a landmark.
    • Done -Mitch32(UP) 17:20, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • The road heads eastward, intersecting an old routing of Route 82 and passing to the south of Millbrook Golf and Tennis Club. "Routing of route"...
    • Done -Mitch32(UP) 17:20, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Route 343 continues past fields, residential homes, and farms. The highway passes south of Mill Brook, entering the hamlet of Littlerest, then turns to the southeast at the intersection with County Route 99. Clarify that Mill Brook is a small stream, not the village of Millbrook.
    • Done -Mitch32(UP) 17:20, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • After passing through Wassaic, the roads cross Wassaic Creek and enter a small valley, soon passing by the Wassaic Train Station and continuing northward towards the hamlet of Amenia. "By" is redundant.
    • Done -Mitch32(UP) 17:20, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • A few miles later, Route 343 crosses the state line and enters Connecticut. A specific mileage would be good.
    • Done -Mitch32(UP) 17:20, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • After passing north of Sharon Country Club, the highway turns east as it enters the town center, where various homes and businesses are located. Not sure the various homes bit adds much to the article.
    • Done -Mitch32(UP) 17:20, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Prior to the building of the turnpike, the section of Route 343 east of Amenia to the state line was a swamp and did not connect Amenia to the state line. "Route 343" → "the route", as NY 343 was non-existent at the time of the turnpike.
    • Done -Mitch32(UP) 17:23, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

–Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 16:40, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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